Jesus as "My personal Lord and Savior"

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I completely get what you mean and I agree with you. There are many Protestants out there who think that they do not need to do anything because they are “saved” and that is unbiblical. However, it is not fair to generalize because there are so so many of us who are trying to our best to live the life that God tells us to.

I could say the same thing about Catholics. A lot of Catholics I know believe that they can sin all they want and all they need to do is go to confession and mass every week. I know that is not how it works, but I know so many Catholics that do believe that. I actually believed that until my friend converted to Catholicism and explained it to me. Of all my Catholic friends only one had it right.

Every Protestant church that I have gone to believes that you must obey God and follow his commandments until the day we die. Every Protestant that I know sees it that way. Why go to church and read the Bible if we can sin all we want because we are saved? My church even had a series on how your life needs to completely change when you accept Christ as your Lord and Savior.
Yes, I understand what you’re saying and do agree with you. You’re right, many Catholics think they can just go to confession and everything is fine. That is what is called presumption. Presuming upon God’s forgiveness and taking advantage of it, which means you aren’t truly sorry and repentant. You haven’t truly converted.
 
Yes I always get that also. That is when I say if 2 Catholics argue about scripture we do as the Scripture says take it to the Church and Father puts it to rest.

Then I get what makes the Priest any different then you. I say simple. If I say to you I had a bad day, why did I have a bad day? Are you qualified to tell me why or I more qualified to answer that question.

Okay then the Apostles taught the scripture directly to the Priests and the Priests passed it on directly word of mouth to explain what was meant by the scripture.

Now back to the question at bay, do you have Apostolic Succession, Do I? But ah… Does the Priest! Bingo There you go.

Just as I do not have authority to interpret scripture and my friend does not the Priest does simply because he is taught it and study the readings of the early Fathers of the Church.

Then I tell them If I would ask his OPINION then we could have 3 wrong answers. But Father does not give HIS opinion he teaches what the Apostles taught.👍
You’re missing something.The priessts don’t just get what they are taught.Catholics believe that the HS lives in and directs the Church.The Pope doesn’t just interpret scriptures on his own or what he feels is best.The HS directs him in truth.The Church therefore directs.I don’t direct either does the priest or anyone else.
 
You’re missing something.The priessts don’t just get what they are taught.Catholics believe that the HS lives in and directs the Church.The Pope doesn’t just interpret scriptures on his own or what he feels is best.The HS directs him in truth.The Church therefore directs.I don’t direct either does the priest or anyone else.
I did not mean to imply that at all. What my whole point was is the Priest does not just give his opinion he is taught by the teachers of the Church just like it always has been from the beginning of time. It is the teachers of the Church that are instructed by the Power of the Holy Spirit and was promised to us at the day of Pentecost.

But the Priests do get what they are taught passed down from the teachings of the Apostles that were given to them by Christ. My point was it was not their personal opinion.

A Priest can have a personal opinion also, but their personal opinion does not make it true. But as you have stated it must come from the Holy Spirit which is what they are taught in the CC. Any teaching in the CC Comes from the Holy Spirit which was my point.

The teaching is PASSED down or TAUGHT not from personal revelation.😉
 
I completely get what you mean and I agree with you. There are many Protestants out there who think that they do not need to do anything because they are “saved” and that is unbiblical. However, it is not fair to generalize because there are so so many of us who are trying to our best to live the life that God tells us to.

I could say the same thing about Catholics. A lot of Catholics I know believe that they can sin all they want and all they need to do is go to confession and mass every week. I know that is not how it works, but I know so many Catholics that do believe that. I actually believed that until my friend converted to Catholicism and explained it to me. Of all my Catholic friends only one had it right.

Every Protestant church that I have gone to believes that you must obey God and follow his commandments until the day we die. Every Protestant that I know sees it that way. Why go to church and read the Bible if we can sin all we want because we are saved? My church even had a series on how your life needs to completely change when you accept Christ as your Lord and Savior.
Personally I do not know of any church that teaches you can sin all you want.

And I believe that even if you are a sinner if you continue to read the bible open up your heart to it, and continue to go to Church on Sunday you are on your road to Salvation.

The biggest difference I see between Protestants are they believe they are automatically saved, Catholics believe that we on the long road to being saved and it is a life long process. And if we do not confess our sins and continue up the long road we can lose our Salvation.

Protestants believe as long as they believe etc they are saved. They do believe they must confess their sin but do not accept the scripture that Jesus gave the Power to a Priest.

They do not believe that the Eucharist is the living bread and blood of Christ. They deny Christ in the Eucharist, that is very sad to me.

They deny the Sacraments. But as I believe Baptism is pretty much accepted by all. And some accept marriage. That is pretty much all of the Sacraments that I know of that they accept.

But like the Protestant faith it depends what church you go to. Not all are the same. Which to me presents a big problem. There is only ONE Truth. So there can only be ONE CHURCH. Just as Christ taught.
 
I have a cousin who always said that to me. I said Oh Really. Where is that in the bible? I love to play that card, I call it my protestant card. Everytime I say something I hear where is that in the bible.

But here is what I say according to my bible it says that Jesus Christ came down to save sinners and yep Here is the scripture. 1 Tim 2:15.

Now you show me where he says he is only your personal Lord and Savior. I kinda missed him even mentioning your name.😛
Rinnie
Protestant Card… thats great I will definately remember that one
 
Yes, I understand what you’re saying and do agree with you. You’re right, many Catholics think they can just go to confession and everything is fine. That is what is called presumption. Presuming upon God’s forgiveness and taking advantage of it, which means you aren’t truly sorry and repentant. You haven’t truly converted.
This is most probably because they have not exercised the “R” word - Repent.

Protector.
 
This is most probably because they have not exercised the “R” word - Repent.

Protector.
Hold on here. You are saying a Catholic can go to confession, confess his or her sin, ask for forgiveness be given Absolution but has not exerrised the R word REPENT?:confused::eek:

So then what do you see the difference in the process of confessing and being sorry for a sin and ask for forgiveness not repenting?:confused:
 
Yes it is. The Catechism and Vatican II Doctrine explain all this.

But this is speaking from what we as Catholics believe. In other words I’m not up on what everyone is believeing as far as Christian Denominations.

God Bless, Gary
Can you please elaborate on your statement. Where does The Catechism and Vatican II Doctrine explain all this.
 
I have a cousin who always said that to me. I said Oh Really. Where is that in the bible? I love to play that card, I call it my protestant card. Everytime I say something I hear where is that in the bible.

But here is what I say according to my bible it says that Jesus Christ came down to save sinners and yep Here is the scripture. 1 Tim 2:15.

Now you show me where he says he is only your personal Lord and Savior. I kinda missed him even mentioning your name.😛
King David said that God saw/knew him personally when he was in his mothers womb.

I realize that the conversations can become heated between Catholics and People that choose other forms of Christianity … but why is it difficult to see that Jesus is more than able to love us each … individually… and focus on his personal interest in our spiritual condition. Jesus said each sparrow is watched by God. The Bible says that every single star … has a name… given by it’s creator… Jesus said that God knows how many hairs are on your head. Each individual person is incredibly valuable to God and he has a deep interest in every detail of every single person’s life.
Why would anyone assume that interest does not include the fundamental reason that we were created.
 
I realize that the conversations can become heated between Catholics and People that choose other forms of Christianity … but why is it difficult to see that Jesus is more than able to love us each … individually… and focus on his personal interest in our spiritual condition. Jesus said each sparrow is watched by God. The Bible says that every single star … has a name… given by it’s creator… Jesus said that God knows how many hairs are on your head. Each individual person is incredibly valuable to God and he has a deep interest in every detail of every single person’s life.
Jesus is Not my personal Saviour…I like to share Him! 😃
 
King David said that God saw/knew him personally when he was in his mothers womb.

I realize that the conversations can become heated between Catholics and People that choose other forms of Christianity … but why is it difficult to see that Jesus is more than able to love us each … individually… and focus on his personal interest in our spiritual condition. Jesus said each sparrow is watched by God. The Bible says that every single star … has a name… given by it’s creator… Jesus said that God knows how many hairs are on your head. Each individual person is incredibly valuable to God and he has a deep interest in every detail of every single person’s life.
Why would anyone assume that interest does not include the fundamental reason that we were created.
I know many people personally. Does that make them mine. Do you see what I am saying.

If I say I have my own personal checking account, that would mean it is mine and not anyone is to share it.

That is why I think it kinda rubs us wrong. Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world. Jesus Christ came to Save ALL men, and is Salvation for ALL.

Probally if it is said that Jesus Christ is the Lord and Savior to all Persons that would sound alot better.

But it sounds like when people say my onw personal its all to yourself. Self- contained, self-centered. Jesus is OUR Lord and Savior. OUR is plural MY is not.😉
 
Jesus is Not my personal Saviour…I like to share Him! 😃
I was just reading how when Jesus was little and in the temple his Mother said Son you had us scared etc. Jesus said you should know I am in my Fathers House doing his work.

Jesus as much as he loved his Mother, he was still not even confined to ONLY her. He came down to save the world. Just like you said you like to share him, his Mother had to share him with us alll.😃

It sounds like sometimes that People are really saying he’s mine ALL MINE, and you can’t have him. Like a toy or object.

I agree with you, He is here for everyone who wants him. He did not come down for any ONE person in particular. We are all equal in his eyes.😉
 
Hold on here. You are saying a Catholic can go to confession, confess his or her sin, ask for forgiveness be given Absolution but has not exerrised the R word REPENT?:confused::eek:

So then what do you see the difference in the process of confessing and being sorry for a sin and ask for forgiveness not repenting?:confused:
Hi rinnie, so sorry for my post. It is not unusual for me to do a quick read-through of something and end up with the wrong end of the stick. I thought about taking speed reading as a subject at college, but never seemed to have the time.

Protector.
 
Can you please elaborate on your statement. Where does The Catechism and Vatican II Doctrine explain all this.
I’m butting in on what appears to be a misunderstanding. The question on post #10 was, “I believe that he came to save each and everyone of us but all I have to do is say that he is my personal Lord and Savior and thats it boom automatic ticket to Heaven is something that I cannot agree with. Is this against the doctrines of the Church?”

When Gary offered “Yes, it is,” in post #12, I think his response meant, “Yes, the idea that there is some ‘automatic ticket to heaven’ is against Church doctrine.” Or more simply put, “There is no automatic ticket.” He referred us to the Catechism and Vatican II for Church teaching on salvation in general.

This idea of an automatic ticket is held by my sister’s church. They believe that to be saved you only have to publically accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. At that moment, all of your sins, past, present, and future are forgiven. You may or may not suffer temporal punishment for your sins while you are on earth, but when you die, heaven is guaranteed.

Long story short, Gary is correct. This is NOT Catholic teaching.
 
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