Jesus as True God and True Man

[pohandes]

Luke 1

34 And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man?
35 And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

I don’t think it helps.

The human soul is everlasting from the time of its creation.

I point to the Divine nature and Human nauture.

A second post on this question.

A divine person never dies. The Son of God eats, drinks, etc,. through the human soul and body of Jesus Christ.

So there must be 2 persons, not 1.

 

[Montrose]

So there must be 2 persons, not 1.

Are you really Catholic. You don’t seem to understand anything about our faith.

Jesus is one person with two natures - FULLY human and FULLY divine. He is not partly God or partly human.

 

[pohandes]

Are you really Catholic. You don’t seem to understand anything about our faith.

My faith is in my heart. I do not claim to have a good understanding. I ask questions to understand.

 

[Montrose]

My faith is in my heart. I do not claim to have a good understanding. I ask questions to understand.

Understanding is one thing but you don’t seem to even know what the Church teaches.

 

[SeekSalvation]

Cathoholic:

You know the Gospel writers all write about the Resurrection ( that is Divinity )

So is Lazarus God? Are all the dead who rose from their graves after the resurrection God?

Lazarus may have risen from the dead but was still a ‘mortal’ man who experienced death…again.

 

[pohandes]

Understanding is one thing but you don’t seem to even know what the Church teaches.

I did not born in a catholic family. I am pretty new in catholic church.

 

[Montrose]

I am pretty new in catholic church.

Okay. It’s a pity you didn’t tell us that early on. Did you go through an RCIA program.

 

[SeekSalvation]

pohandes:

My faith is in my heart. I do not claim to have a good understanding. I ask questions to understand.

Understanding is one thing but you don’t seem to even know what the Church teaches.

Evangelizing in a way that aggressively challenges one faith and publicly puts someone down isn’t the way to bring others to the Church.

 

[pohandes]

Okay. It’s a pity you didn’t tell us that early on. Did you go through an RCIA program

No. And I do not what’s this.

 

[SeekSalvation]

Montrose:

Okay. It’s a pity you didn’t tell us that early on. Did you go through an RCIA program

No. And I do not what’s this.

Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults

The Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults, or Ordo Initiationis Christianae Adultorum is a process developed by the Catholic Church for prospective converts to Catholicism who are above the age of infant baptism. Candidates are gradually introduced to aspects of Catholic beliefs and practices.

Please contact your local Catholic Church/Parish and talk to them about RCIA.

 

[Montrose]

No. And I do not what’s this.

I don’t want to get the thread off topic but you can read the link below. RCIA ( Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults) is the normal way a non-Catholic would become a Catholic.
Most countries have such a program but I don’t know where you are from.

http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/who-we-teach/rite-of-christian-initiation-of-adults/

 

[pohandes]

Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults

The Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults, or Ordo Initiationis Christianae Adultorum is a process developed by the Catholic Church for prospective converts to Catholicism who are above the age of infant baptism. Candidates are gradually introduced to aspects of Catholic beliefs and practices.

Please contact your local Catholic Church/Parish and talk to them about RCIA.

I don’t want to get the thread off topic but you can read the link below. RCIA ( Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults) is the normal way a non-Catholic would become a Catholic.
Most countries have such a program but I don’t know where you are from.

http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/who-we-teach/rite-of-christian-initiation-of-adults/

Thank you very much.

 

[hope]

But this is only said in John and the Johannine community. Not in the Synoptics. A straight reading of the Synoptics gives you a special Jesus but not a Jesus as God. When John was written, his community had a different understanding of Jesus and He is elevated to Godhood.

This is an old yarn that was once held by Bart Ehrman a New Testament Scholar. His opinion now is These Gospels do indeed think of Jesus as divine. Being made the very Son of God who can heal, cast out demons, raise the dead, pronounce divine forgiveness, receive worship together suggests that even for these Gospels Jesus was a divine being, not merely a human.
One example is in Mark Jesus tell a paralytic that his sins are forgiven. The scribes object saying"He is blaspheming. Who but God alone can forgive sins?" Only God can forgive sins and Jesus proves He has the power to forgive sins by healing the paralytic. Thus He is saying He is God.

I hope you can understand why the Jews might have been a bit peeved about it. Imagine someone today claiming the New Testament isn’t talking about some Jesus and him being the son of God but give it a completely different interpretation and meaning…I do believe Christians would be a bit up in arms about that. Same for the Jews.

Don’t have to imagine since this is what you have done.

 

[Pattylt]

Don’t have to imagine since this is what you have done.

And you don’t like it, do you! The Jews didn’t like it either. Christians took the Jewish Bible, reinterpreted it and then claimed the Jews didn’t understand their own book. I really don’t care but I can sympathize when someone takes their own literature and declares they are wrong. Christians think they are right in doing this. They now own the OT. It’s a battle I won’t fight.

 

[hope]

And you don’t like it, do you!

I am glad you admit that is what you have done. It doesn’t bother me one way or the other.