Jesus Christ is our only 'mediator' as stated by St. Paul

[1beleevr]

Guanophore: It is curious, that you see hate, instead of irony in my post about the catholic church; but this may indicate that you defend your religion more than the Cross, on which our Saviour died, and which is our sacred, symbol of freedom(without a corpus, of course) I have never submitted a hate-filled, profanity-laced post about the catholic church I disagree with a lot of what you guys believe, but agree with certain things, also! If you read post#382, you will see that I mitigated my previous post, noting the IRONY, of the placement of the Vatican:thumbsup: And as far as the discussion about Mary, at the wedding, I would be willing to bet, that there are many of us who, if we called our mother WOMAN, would have been grounded, or rebuked! Mary was a woman, yes, but, she was still His earthly mother! Whether or not she was the new Eve, is speculation at best. She was definitely chosen by God, because of her humble and willing servan’ts heart!

 

[1beleevr]

placido: How were you able to infer that I was upset about the triumph of good over evil? In post#382, I mitigated my previous position, noting the irony of the placement You do know what IRONY means, don’t you? And I have no need to change Christ’s Great Commission! I do believe, though, His words back then, apply to us as Christians today! In fact, a missions team from our church is returning from a 2 week trip to Guinea, West Africa, where they taught Vacation Bible School to the children, taught Bible classes to the adults, and baptized new believers, yippee for our Lord!!..“baptizing them in the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit!” Placido means peaceful, but I didn’t really feel that in some of your posts:thumbsup:

 

[Richard_Kastner]

That is not what John is saying. That is what Richard wanted John to say. Here is verse 16 verbatim: “If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that.”
As anyone here can see, there is no mention of “we should not pray for mercy for the sinner WHO HIMSELF DOES NOT ASK FOR MERCY”.

No there isn’t. It is merely my attempt to again explain what seems so very obvious to me
and that is that the sin that leads to death is the sin for which the sinner HIMSELF DOES NOT ASK FOR MERCY.

So, you are actually saying sins do vary in severity? That sounds Catholic!

Not me, the bible. See, I don’t disagree with everything the CC says. It’s just the implication of what that severity means is where our ways part.

“In other words” the last section is your fabrication.

This from the catechism of the CC
1863 Venial sin weakens charity; it manifests a disordered affection for created goods; it impedes the soul’s progress in the exercise of the virtues and the practice of the moral good; it merits temporal punishment. Deliberate and unrepented venial sin disposes us little by little to commit mortal sin. However venial sin does not break the covenant with God. With God’s grace it is humanly reparable. "Venial sin does not deprive the sinner of sanctifying grace, friendship with God, charity, and consequently eternal happiness."134

In other words The Cross Wasn’t enough.

1472 On the other hand every sin, even venial, entails an unhealthy attachment to creatures, which must be purified either here on earth, or after death in the state called Purgatory. This purification frees one from what is called the “temporal punishment” of sin. These two punishments must not be conceived of as a kind of vengeance inflicted by God from without, but as following from the very nature of sin. **A conversion which proceeds from a fervent charity can attain the complete purification of the sinner in such a way that no punishment would remain.83 **

In other words the sinner pays for these sins by his works.

1478 **An indulgence is obtained through the Church **who, by virtue of the power of binding and loosing granted her by Christ Jesus, **intervenes in favor of individual Christians and opens for them the treasury of the merits of Christ and the saints to obtain from the Father of mercies the remission of the temporal punishments **due for their sins. Thus the Church does not want simply to come to the aid of these Christians, but also to spur them to works of devotion, penance, and charity.89

In other words Indugences are obtained only through the CC. **The merits of Christ ** are here usurped by the CC. This is blasphemy.

1479 Since the faithful departed now being purified are also members of the same communion of saints, one way we can help them is to **obtain indulgences for them, so that the temporal punishments due for their sins may be remitted. **

In other words. The so called temporal punishment is remitted by an act of man. Not God. No mention of Jesus or the Cross.

And there a sin which does not lead to death (1 John 5:16). Do you believe that too?

Placido, I’ve gone over this many times on this thread. I think my position is clear.

But what shall you say if I started calling the sins we are not to pray for “Mortal Sins” and the sins we are to pray for “Venial Sins”?

placido

John says using your translation above. "There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that.” Let me ask you. If mortal sin is repented of does it lead to death?

 

[1beleevr]

Peter Dawson: And good morning to you, my friend, and brother in Christ:thumbsup: I usually know what I am talking about, also, but for those times that I don’t, I have an Advocate, which my Saviour promised to me, Yippee!!! Let me draw up a hypothetical scenario for you: You and I are on opposite corners at an intersection,when suddenly, we witness n automobile accident! When interviewed by the police, we both pretty much agree about the details of the accident, but perhaps I thought that the blue car, was in the wrong, you believed it was the red. What I am trying to say, is, that two people can watch the same event, movie, or read the same article, and get something different out of it! Who’s right, who’s wrong? You are using the miracle(the first) at Cana to shore up your belief in Mary being more, beyond Christ’s mother, and exalting her to a rather lofty position! My position is, that is fine with me, if that is what you believe; I have no problem with that. Can you give me the same respect for not elevating her, with statues and other things, to such an exalted position! Jesus is the Name above all names, and our focus should be on Him! Mary was an incredible woman, and without her, we would not have had he Saviour! God chose her from among many, because of her humble and willing heart; and it is clear that Joseph was just as willing, to be used by God for His puposes!

 

[1beleevr]

bicolmonk: Post#397, makes no sense at all! Is there a central theme???

 

[1beleevr]

shw: You may be right about discontinuing this discussion, due to my stubborness! I am having a difficult time, seeing how you, as a Christian, do not believe that Jesus’s words back then, apply to us today! That is why the term knowing Him as your friend and personal Saviour is used when talking about a relationship with Him:thumbsupo you mean to tell me, that when I read this Bible of mine, which was supposedly written by catholics, that I shouldn’t believe that He is speaking to me; like when He said in John 14, that He was going to prepare a mansion for me? And you, and others, have explained things to me, and others, but from a catholic point of view. Why are CINOS allowed to be in the catholic church(along with “cafeteria catholics”), given the rigidity of the catholic religion?

 

[Peter_Dawson]

Peter Dawson: And good morning to you, my friend, and brother in Christ:thumbsup: I usually know what I am talking about, also, but for those times that I don’t, I have an Advocate, which my Saviour promised to me, Yippee!!! Let me draw up a hypothetical scenario for you: You and I are on opposite corners at an intersection,when suddenly, we witness n automobile accident! When interviewed by the police, we both pretty much agree about the details of the accident, but perhaps I thought that the blue car, was in the wrong, you believed it was the red. What I am trying to say, is, that two people can watch the same event, movie, or read the same article, and get something different out of it! Who’s right, who’s wrong? You are using the miracle(the first) at Cana to shore up your belief in Mary being more, beyond Christ’s mother, and exalting her to a rather lofty position! My position is, that is fine with me, if that is what you believe; I have no problem with that. Can you give me the same respect for not elevating her, with statues and other things, to such an exalted position! Jesus is the Name above all names, and our focus should be on Him! Mary was an incredible woman, and without her, we would not have had he Saviour! God chose her from among many, because of her humble and willing heart; and it is clear that Joseph was just as willing, to be used by God for His puposes!

First, friend, as far as I know, every Catholic Church in the world must include a statue of Joseph, also, for public display.

Secondly, what I do to Scripture – typology – is not just personal opinion. It’s better. It really is well-grounded in massive evidence, but as I pointed out previously assessing the evidence takes much work.

 

[SHW]

It’s talking about sins that we should pray for or ask mercy for, these are sins that are repented of. John says however that there are sins that we should not even pray for. Again not my words, but John’s. The only difference between these sins is that one we should pray for and the other we shouldn’t. Both sins are serious. So why should we not even pray for one sin, if this was just explaining differing degrees of sins. I believe exactly what John is saying and that is, there is a sin unto death.

I disagree. In context, John is encouraging all believers to pray for others and telling them that their prayers for others will be heard by God and also answered by God according to His will:

1 John 5
Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. 15 And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him.

First, John states that God answers all of our prayers. However, then he makes an exception to what he just wrote since he then makes the point that there is one particular “mortal sin” of apostasy/impenitence which causes the “death of eternal life of the soul” and this extremely serious sin usually is not repented before death and this is why he states that “I do not say that one is to pray for that.” He is emphasizing his point that their prayers for these persons probably will not be answered because most persons who apostatize rarely repent.

John is not actually telling them that they should not pray for unrepentant sinners, he is speaking in this manner in order to stress the seriousness of this mortal sin of apostasy.

16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.

But, all things are possible for God. So, it is all right to pray for all sinners, including those whom we think will never repent because only God knows who will ask for forgiveness before they die.

Mark 10:27
But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.

Sins that lead to death are mortal sins which cause the “death of eternal life in the soul.” Apostasy is one of these sins. However, adultery, fornication, drunkenness, etc. are also sins which cause the death of the soul so they are also called mortal sins.

Paul gives us examples of other mortal sins, and if these are not repented of before death, then the person will not be saved:

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Matthew 10:28
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

This is everlasting punishment.

Revelation 20:10
The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 21:7-8
He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death

There is a definite difference between venial sins and mortal sins. The punishment for unrepented mortal sin is hell forever. The punishment for venial sin is purgatory for the soul until the temporal punishment is paid. Jesus paid the eternal (Blood) price, but not the temporal (consequence) price because we reap what we sow (Galatians 6:7) and therefore we must pay the debt for all of our own sins which we commit after Baptism. We can do penance and offer prayers and give alms, etc. in order to atone for our venial sins on earth so that we do not have to pay for them in purgatory/prison. God is also a just God. (1 Corinthians 3:15, 1 Peter 3:18-20, Luke 12:59)

 

[PRmerger]

Peter Dawson: And good morning to you, my friend, and brother in Christ:thumbsup: I usually know what I am talking about, also, but for those times that I don’t, I have an Advocate, which my Saviour promised to me, Yippee!!! Let me draw up a hypothetical scenario for you: You and I are on opposite corners at an intersection,when suddenly, we witness n automobile accident! When interviewed by the police, we both pretty much agree about the details of the accident, but perhaps I thought that the blue car, was in the wrong, you believed it was the red. What I am trying to say, is, that two people can watch the same event, movie, or read the same article, and get something different out of it! Who’s right, who’s wrong?

Who’s right and who’s wrong? Why, the one whose version is true, of course! If one witness believes it was the blue car and in reality it was the red car who was at fault, then the witness was…wrong! He may believe that his story is correct, but he’s actually wrong and in promoting the wrong version of truth he’ll be promoting a lie. Yikes!

 

[Richard_Kastner]

I disagree. In context, John is encouraging all believers to pray for others and telling them that their prayers for others will be heard by God and also answered by God according to His will:

1 John 5
Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. 15 And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him.

First, John states that God answers all of our prayers. However, then he makes an exception to what he just wrote since he then makes the point that there is one particular “mortal sin” of apostasy/impenitence which causes the “death of eternal life of the soul” and this extremely serious sin usually is not repented before death and this is why he states that “I do not say that one is to pray for that.” He is emphasizing his point that their prayers for these persons probably will not be answered because most persons who apostatize rarely repent.

What I have been saying all along is basically what you say here. You take one little quote of mine say you disagree with it and then go on a long dialogue that basically agrees with me. What gives?

John is not actually telling them that they should not pray for unrepentant sinners, he is speaking in this manner in order to stress the seriousness of this mortal sin of apostasy.

John says for the umteenth time There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. In this particular v. He is telling us there is a sin that we should not be praying for** not a sinner.**

16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.

But, all things are possible for God. So, it is all right to pray for all sinners, including those whom we think will never repent because only God knows who will ask for forgiveness before they die.

Again, pretty much what i’ve been saying all along.

Sins that lead to death are mortal sins which cause the “death of eternal life in the soul.” Apostasy is one of these sins.

So, you are saying then that we should not pray for a person that commits apostacy.

However, adultery, fornication, drunkenness, etc. are also sins which cause the death of the soul so they are also called mortal sins.

Paul gives us examples of other mortal sins, and if these are not repented of before death, then the person will not be saved:

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Since as you say these are sins that lead to death, we probably shouldn’t pray for these as well, Right?

Matthew 10:28
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

This is everlasting punishment.

Revelation 20:10
The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

The devil has no power to throw anyone into hell. That power belongs to God and God alone. The one we are to fear is God not Satan.

There is a definite difference between venial sins and mortal sins. The punishment for unrepented mortal sin is hell forever. The punishment for venial sin is purgatory for the soul until the temporal punishment is paid. Jesus paid the eternal (Blood) price, but not the temporal (consequence) price because we reap what we sow (Galatians 6:7)

and therefore we must pay the debt for all of our own sins which we commit after Baptism. We can do penance and offer prayers and give alms, etc. in order to atone for our venial sins on earth so that we do not have to pay for them in purgatory/prison. God is also a just God. (1 Corinthians 3:15, 1 Peter 3:18-20, Luke 12:59)

Here is where we part. 1John3: 4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Doesn’t say anything here about venial sin. It says sin, all sin, is the transgression of the law. And all sin if not washed in the blood of the Lamb of God, Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is a sin unto death and we should not even pray for mercy for that sinner because they have made thier choice unto death.

 

[SHW]

shw: You may be right about discontinuing this discussion, due to my stubborness! I am having a difficult time, seeing how you, as a Christian, do not believe that Jesus’s words back then, apply to us today! That is why the term knowing Him as your friend and personal Saviour is used when talking about a relationship with Him:thumbsupo you mean to tell me, that when I read this Bible of mine, which was supposedly written by catholics, that I shouldn’t believe that He is speaking to me; like when He said in John 14, that He was going to prepare a mansion for me? And you, and others, have explained things to me, and others, but from a catholic point of view. Why are CINOS allowed to be in the catholic church(along with “cafeteria catholics”), given the rigidity of the catholic religion?

I decided to not continue that particular discussion due to your inability to reason correctly about those particular Scriptures. Since you are not taught by the leaders of Christ’s one Church, you are mistaken in your interpretation of many Scriptures. (2 Peter 3:15-17)

Please show me in Scripture where it says that "all we have to do to be saved and also to inherit eternal life is to accept Jesus as our personal friend and personal Savior and therefore nothing else is required for salvation."

Some persons think that this is all that is necessary to be saved:
Romans 10:13
For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.

However, Scripture also states:
Matthew 7:21-23
Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Scripture also states:
Mark 16:16
He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.

1 Timothy 5:8
But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

Matthew 19:16-19
Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said, “ ‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’”

James 1:12
Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.

Etc., Etc., Etc.

Being saved and also being found worthy/approved to inherit eternal life are a lot more complicated than just believing Romans 10:13. This is why Jesus founded a Church to represent Him on earth so that persons can learn the WHOLE truth about salvation and learn it only from His own Church hierarchy because no one is allowed to try to figure it out for themselves. Why? Because if they do try to figure it out for themselves, they will make errors and these errors can even prevent them from inheriting eternal life. (2 Peter 1:20)

2 Peter 3:15-17
our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;

Cafeteria Catholics and CINOs refuse to leave the Catholic Church (CC). They want to change Her (CC) to fit their own ideas of what the Catholic Church should be, instead of Christ’s never-changing teachings which are preserved in His Catholic Church and have been preserved for 2000 years. These bad Catholics want divorce and remarriage, contraception, abortion, etc. to be declared moral so that what they are doing will no longer be called sins. God’s truths, however, never change. (Hebrews 13:8) These bad Catholics continue to receive Holy Communion anyway even though their souls are in a state of mortal sin (which causes damnation forever, if not repented before death), so they are receiving Holy Communion unworthily and they therefore add mortal sins to their souls each time they do this.

What they want can never happen, because Jesus promised that His Church would never teach error regarding faith and morals. The Holy Spirit prevents this from happening. (John 16:13) Since we do not patrol our churches with guns, we cannot keep them out. No one should receive Holy Communion in a Catholic Church unless they are in “communion” (agree with) all of Her teachings.

Jesus is definitely preparing a place for you in one of His Father’s mansions in heaven if you are one of the persons who actually will inherit eternal life. But, only God can judge people’s hearts so none of us knows who actually inherits eternal life until we get there ourselves. I hope we see each other there!

 

[SHW]

What I have been saying all along is basically what you say here. You take one little quote of mine say you disagree with it and then go on a long dialogue that basically agrees with me. What gives?

I’m glad that we can agree about some things. This thread/post is not just for us “two.”

John says for the umteenth time There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. In this particular v. He is telling us there is a sin that we should not be praying for** not a sinner.**

This is what I mean: We are to pray for all sinners, but not all sinners will be saved. We do not know who will be saved or not, so we should not be making our own judgments as to who we should pray for and who we should not pray for. I pray for all persons to be saved even though I know that not all persons will actually be saved.

Another example of the seriousness of sin using hyperbole (exaggeration) to emphasize this point:

Hebrews 6:4-6
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

We, however, know that with God, nothing will be impossible. (Luke 1:37)

So, you are saying then that we should not pray for a person that commits apostacy.

Depends on definition of apostasy. If you mean “final impenitence,” then this person dies in apostasy and will not be saved so it would be like praying for Satan to be converted which is an impossibility because Satan already made his choice and can no longer change it.

If it is apostasy meaning “presently repudiating God,” then as long as this person lives, he/she can still repent and convert, so yes, we should pray for him/her.

Since as you say these are sins that lead to death, we probably shouldn’t pray for these as well, Right?

Wrong. You misunderstand. We are to pray for all persons so that they repent and convert. However, death is final and no more chances for salvation are given to anyone to repent and convert after death.

The devil has no power to throw anyone into hell. That power belongs to God and God alone. The one we are to fear is God not Satan.

I agree. However, Satan tempts people to sin and when people sin mortal sins and do not repent before death, then they are condemned to hell forever.

1 Peter 5:6-9
Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time, 7 casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you.
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. 9 Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world.

Here is where we part. 1John3: 4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Doesn’t say anything here about venial sin. It says sin, all sin, is the transgression of the law. And all sin if not washed in the blood of the Lamb of God, Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is a sin unto death and we should not even pray for mercy for that sinner because they have made thier choice unto death.

Venial sin: A parent yells at his children because he is upset at something, but it is not his children who are doing anything wrong. This parent committed a sin/transgression, but he will not go to hell for this sin. It is not grave/serious enough for such a severe punishment as hell. He will have to burn it off in purgatory/prison if it is not atoned for on earth before he dies. (1 Corinthians 3:15,1 Peter 3:19)

Mortal sin: A person commits adultery. This is a sin/transgression, and if not stopped and repented before death, then it will cause this person to lose eternal life.

Both are transgressions, but different degrees of sin. One does not cause the loss of eternal life, but the other one does.

Jesus even gave us examples of the degrees of sins:
Matthew 7:3
And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?

 

[heiscominginthe]

Aside from oral tradition, it says Jesus did many things not written in the scriptures. I believe He must have said things not written as well. The question " show me where in the Bible it says… " is useless You wont find proof that we should confess to a priest, it was probably agreed upon and we were not there yet. Anything “you bind will be bound in heaven.” I cud not find Japan in the Bible also but I’ve been there. No wonder there’s so many breakups cuz of disagreements.

You are missing the point. We are to confess our sins period. You believe it is to be to a priest, but are not all who are born again born into a royal priesthood? Are not all who are born again called saints of the Most High God?

 

[Richard_Kastner]

Depends on definition of apostasy. If you mean “final impenitence,” then this person dies in apostasy and will not be saved so it would be like praying for Satan to be converted which is an impossibility because Satan already made his choice and can no longer change it.

If it is apostasy meaning “presently repudiating God,” then as long as this person lives, he/she can still repent and convert, so yes, we should pray for him/her.

Here is what you originally said
Sins that lead to death are mortal sins which cause the “death of eternal life in the soul.” Apostasy is one of these sins.
To which I replied
So, you are saying then that we should not pray for a person that commits apostacy.
Now you say
Depends on definition of apostasy.

See you can’t just go around making up your own definitions to suite whatever situation you are in. Here is the dictionaries definition for apostasy.
apostasy
the total rejection of Christianity by a baptized person who, having at one time professed the Christian faith, publicly rejects it. It is distinguished from heresy, which is limited to the rejection of one or more Christian doctrines by one who maintains an overall adherence to Jesus Christ.

Sounds like a pretty bad sin, Right? But this is not the sin that leads to death that John is talking about. Neither are all the sins that Paul enumerates. The sin that leads to death is not repenting of these sins.

Venial sin: A parent yells at his children because he is upset at something, but it is not his children who are doing anything wrong. This parent committed a sin/transgression, but he will not go to hell for this sin.

Yelling at your children may not be a very good parenting tactic, but in no way is it a sin (ie. transgression of the law) unless it transgresses God’s law of love and then it is a sin unto death, If not repented of it is the sin that leads to death and not a venial sin.

 

[1beleevr]

Peter Dawson: Let me commend you for your diligence in discerning what information is truth and what is not! I’m not sure if we settled the issue dealing with Mary, but you must agree, that there are other ways to look at not only the Cana wedding, and the time at the Cross, but it seems that Mary spent much time with her Son! I am no scholar, although I did attend college(AA degree), but I am learning more and more, the more mature I become in my Christian walk(Philippians 1:6).Do you think Mary had any idea what Jesus’s first miracle would be?

 

[1beleevr]

Hey, shw: What exactly did pope John Paul II mean, when he said something to the effect that “All men(and women of course), could be saved!” Was he saying that even those who are outside the catholic church had the opportunity to come to a knowledge of our sins, a confession that we know we have sinned, ask for forgiveness, repent, be baptized and be saved? Just wondering; someone at work mentioned him and it made me think of something he said about, I don’t know, 6 or 8 years ago!

 

[PRmerger]

Peter Dawson: Let me commend you for your diligence in discerning what information is truth and what is not! I’m not sure if we settled the issue dealing with Mary, but you must agree, that there are other ways to look at not only the Cana wedding

Indeed, 1beleevr! You are always free to read Scripture and discern for yourself its meaning in your life, provided, of course, that your interpretation does not contradict God’s Word in the Deposit of Faith.

 

[PRmerger]

Hey, shw: What exactly did pope John Paul II mean, when he said something to the effect that “All men(and women of course), could be saved!” Was he saying that even those who are outside the catholic church had the opportunity to come to a knowledge of our sins, a confession that we know we have sinned, ask for forgiveness, repent, be baptized and be saved? Just wondering; someone at work mentioned him and it made me think of something he said about, I don’t know, 6 or 8 years ago!

We have no salvation without Christ, and we do not know Christ without the Church!
(Wasn’t it St. Augustine who said, “I would not believe in the authority of the Scriptures were it not for the authority of the Catholic Church?”)

What the CC teaches is that non-Catholics can be saved but that “they could not be saved who, knowing that the CC was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it, or to remain in it.”* Lumen Gentium 14*

However, that same document says that “those who through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience–those too may achieve eternal salvation.”

 

[1beleevr]

So, what sin exactly is yelling at children? If that is true, then my mother(an awesome Christian mother) sinned eightfold, nearly every day!

 

[PRmerger]

So, what sin exactly is yelling at children? If that is true, then my mother(an awesome Christian mother) sinned eightfold, nearly every day!

It’s not treating them as you would Christ.