Jesus didn't establish a religion

[paarsurrey]

The reason they cannot accept that Jesus established a church is that if they do they would have to admit that it is the Catholic Church and then where would they be?

Hi

Now I narrate the events:

Before Crucifixion, JesusYeshuaIssa did not erect any church, he was a Jew as his mother Mary was. He used to go to a synagogue, I think, you would agree with me on this.

After the event of Crucifixion, only from three to forty days were there with him, it was a period of tribulations; where did Jesus erect the Church? Kindly mention its location.

After when he departed from Galilee, alongwith his mother Mary as per Holger Kersten, a German research scholar, Jesus went in search of the Lost Tribes of the House of Israel who were settled in India and neighgouring countries. If at all, Jesus might have erected some worship place in Kashmir India, but he could not name it a Church since the word ‘Church’ is neither Hebrew nor Aramaic nor of Indian origin. So, Church was neither erected by Jesus nor named by Jesus.

It must be Paul; I think now you would agree with me. It is reasonable.

Thanks

 

[Brooklyn]

Anyone who makes a statement like “Jesus didn’t establish a religion” (religion meaning how you live your life), is saying that to convince himself that he is his own god and doesn’t have to submit to anyone or anything else. That kind of person will take from Jesus whatever he is comfortable with, and if there is anything that makes him uncomfortable, he will leave it on the table.

I don’t think there is anything you can say that will convince him otherwise. The human mind is great when it comes to defending its own beliefs. I would say to just accept him for what he is, and be the best example you can be. Sometimes the best preaching doesn’t have any words at all.

Mary

 

[Church_Militant]

Hi

It must be Paul; I think now you would agree with me. It is reasonable.

Thanks

No…

 

[adrift]

Hi

Now I narrate the events:

Before Crucifixion, JesusYeshuaIssa did not erect any church, he was a Jew as his mother Mary was. He used to go to a synagogue, I think, you would agree with me on this.

After the event of Crucifixion, only from three to forty days were there with him, it was a period of tribulations; where did Jesus erect the Church? Kindly mention its location.

It must be Paul; I think now you would agree with me. It is reasonable.

Thanks

You misunderstand the meaning of Church. It is not a building your assumptions are quite unreasonable.

 

[Myuutsu]

The OP of this statement is right. Jesus didn’t establish a religion. He was perhaps the greatest teacher of all time, and one of the most devout Jews in all history. It is my belief that the same thing happened with Jesus that happened to Lao Tzu, the founder of Taoist philosophy. Lao Tzu was a brilliant teacher, and taught that we needed to balance our lives and do no harm to others. However, when he died, one man had a vision that showed Lao Tzu as a divine being and that by following the teachings in the Dao de Jing, you could be saved and live forever. A similar thing happened to Jesus, IMO.

This is my opinion, of course. I could give proof of my beliefs, but I’d probably get banned, and I don’t like telling people their beliefs are wrong (not saying yours are)

 

[adrift]

It is helpful I believe to define terms. I remember a discussion that lasted a couple of hours only to discover that each party was saying the same thing after terms were defined

re·li·gion (r-ljn)
n.
1.
a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

Religion
Definition two does not apply to the original op.
When the other definitions are applied to Jesus, I believe that the only conclusion is that Jesus intended to found a Church. Now does Church equate a religion? I believe so.

 

[Chipper]

Hi

Now I narrate the events:

Before Crucifixion, JesusYeshuaIssa did not erect any church, he was a Jew as his mother Mary was. He used to go to a synagogue, I think, you would agree with me on this.

After the event of Crucifixion, only from three to forty days were there with him, it was a period of tribulations; where did Jesus erect the Church? Kindly mention its location.

I don’t think you understand the meaning of “CHURCH”.

After when he departed from Galilee, alongwith his mother Mary as per Holger Kersten, a German research scholar, Jesus went in search of the Lost Tribes of the House of Israel who were settled in India and neighgouring countries. If at all, Jesus might have erected some worship place in Kashmir India, but he could not name it a Church since the word ‘Church’ is neither Hebrew nor Aramaic nor of Indian origin. So, Church was neither erected by Jesus nor named by Jesus.

One guy, comes up with a strange theory, and you go for it hook line and sinker. This stuff is along the lines of the Davinci Code. Do you also adhere to that stuff?

It must be Paul; I think now you would agree with me. It is reasonable.

Thanks

It is highly unreasonable.

 

[Bishopite]

[paarsurrey;2630711]Hi

Now I narrate the events:

Before Crucifixion, JesusYeshuaIssa did not erect any church, he was a Jew as his mother Mary was. He used to go to a synagogue, I think, you would agree with me on this.

After the event of Crucifixion, only from three to forty days were there with him, it was a period of tribulations; where did Jesus erect the Church? Kindly mention its location.

When Christians speak of “Church” most of the time we mean the disciples of Jesus, which include the Apostles and the hiearchy of leaders (Bishops) who were their successors and also other common persons called the laity.
The word “Church” can also mean a physical structure or a building of some sort. When we speak of Jesus establishing a Church, we mean He established a hiearchy of leaders

After when he departed from Galilee, alongwith his mother Mary as per Holger Kersten, a German research scholar, Jesus went in search of the Lost Tribes of the House of Israel who were settled in India and neighgouring countries. If at all, Jesus might have erected some worship place in Kashmir India, but he could not name it a Church since the word ‘Church’ is neither Hebrew nor Aramaic nor of Indian origin. So, Church was neither erected by Jesus nor named by Jesus.

If your assertion had any validity, it would be on the nightly news every night. Fortunately your story can’t be substantiated through history nor any valid sources.

It must be Paul; I think now you would agree with me. It is reasonable.

Thanks

No, sorry but I don’t agree at all with your assertion.

 

[BloodStaindRose]

Jesus established a Church, he taught the apostles how to run the Church and etc. There was only ONE Christian Church, then the Byzantine Empire brought the spliting of religion and other beliefs and disagreements made people separate and begin their version of the truth.

 

[Tomster]

Hi

Now I narrate the events:

Before Crucifixion, JesusYeshuaIssa did not erect any church, he was a Jew as his mother Mary was. He used to go to a synagogue, I think, you would agree with me on this.

After the event of Crucifixion, only from three to forty days were there with him, it was a period of tribulations; where did Jesus erect the Church? Kindly mention its location.

After when he departed from Galilee, alongwith his mother Mary as per Holger Kersten, a German research scholar, Jesus went in search of the Lost Tribes of the House of Israel who were settled in India and neighgouring countries. If at all, Jesus might have erected some worship place in Kashmir India, but he could not name it a Church since the word ‘Church’ is neither Hebrew nor Aramaic nor of Indian origin. So, Church was neither erected by Jesus nor named by Jesus.

It must be Paul; I think now you would agree with me. It is reasonable.

Thanks

paarsurrey,

You must understand the immense significance of the Beatitudes. They set the key for the whole of our Lord’s teaching on the kingdom of God. And his conception of the “kingdom,” from the standpoint of the Synoptic Gospels, is the sum and substance of his message. He makes clear at the outset that man is destined for happiness; for that, as we have seen, is what is meant by being “blessed.” The religion of Jesus is therefore, in the language of philosophy, eudaemonist; its effect is to make us happy. At the same time, it is expressed in a number of paradoxes which constitute a radical criticism of the commonly accepted notions of happiness. There is a reversal of all human values: the poor, the meek, the persecuted are in reality the happy ones. But if it is true that Christ aimed at reconciling the unfortunate to their lot by fixing their hearts on the state of final blessedness, he show both in word deed that he gave no countenance to human misery for its own sake. His thesis was that later formulated by St. Paul: “For I reckon that the sufferings of the present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory to be revealed in us.” (Romans 8:18)

Tomster

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

“Religion” is the name of the relationship that we have with God. it defines it, establishes it boundaries, and clarifies the roles of the people involved. Much in the way that “marriage” is the name of the relationship that a man has with his wife. When one thinks of marriage (in the traditional, orthodox, Christian context, not the Americanized “anything goes” context) we think of an exclusive relationship between a man and a woman, based on trust and fidelity, mutual respect, and a subserviance to each other. Religion is no different. Imagine a man telling a woman, “I don’t want a marriage with you, I want a relationship.” What do you think the woman’s reaction will be? More likely than not, she will tell him to take his ambiguous idea and flush it. Telling God that you want a relationship without religion is like telling Him you want to love Him, but not obey Him. You can’t have one without the other.

 

[Zooey]

The title is not my own statement, but one I read. How do you respond to someone who says Jesus didn’t establish a religion, he gave us Himself, so that we can trust in Him and not in a religion. I came across this when I was visiting a site about certain pastors, and there was a guy there who said he went to seminary for 5 years, but he didn’t have a Bible, because “it wasn’t required reading”, and it went on to say how they (him and his wife) weren’t “fulfilled” at the Catholic church. And he also said the stuff about Jesus not establishing a religion. How do I respond to all that?

Truthfully, being a Cranky Old Lady(Who Was Up All Night LOng), I would say something like:
[SIGN] “Liar, liar, Pants on fire!!”[/SIGN]
But that is not helpful, is it???
It’s true,though; I flat out don’t believe what this person is saying on his website.

 

[RobHom]

The title is not my own statement, but one I read. How do you respond to someone who says Jesus didn’t establish a religion,

My response would be: Uh-huh, yeah…ok, whatever

he gave us Himself, so that we can trust in Him and not in a religion.

Its a play on words…I know “ersatz christians” who spout the same nonsense…they also think divorce is ok, etc…

I came across this when I was visiting a site about certain pastors, and there was a guy there who said he went to seminary for 5 years, but he didn’t have a Bible, because “it wasn’t required reading”

Yeah, right… A seminary without bibles? Wiccan, or some other pagan belief maybe?

, and it went on to say how they (him and his wife) weren’t “fulfilled” at the Catholic church.

Probably the notion of having to read the Missal, and actually learn something about the Holy Trinity and the fact that being a Catholic was not a “B-K” have it your way kinda gig…ooooh, too confining and restrictive…ooooh, ooooh.

And he also said the stuff about Jesus not establishing a religion. How do I respond to all that?

There’s a grain of truth there…Jesus founded his Church through the Apostles… Christianity is the religion.

I’m not sure I would bother responding to someone like that… The guy is probably a shill…

 

[Mimi]

A friend of mine, who says she belongs to the Church (it’s just the “church”, they don’t apparently go by anything else, though I’d like to find out where their headquarters are), says about the same thing as the OP.

She claims they are living more like the early church, meeting in homes, but they also sometimes go to a central gathering for worship. They believe in the Real Presence, but of course, they do not have it as their priesthood is invalid. I don’t think they have priests as such, but pastors.

She gets kinda defensive when I ask questions & has been uncharitable in some ways about how Catholics are idol worshipers and such; Mary is not the Mother of God. Clearly, she is not educated in Catholicism, although I have told her it’s easy enough to find out. Sigh. I’m sad that she chooses to remain ignorant. I don’t expect her to convert when I try to clarify our teachings, just that she should know what she’s talking about.

God bless,
Mimi

 

[Teflon93]

That sounds quite a bit like a Baptist primitive church offshoot. Talk about walking the tightrope—study the Early Church but ignore how much more Catholicism resembles it than any Protestant community does.

Cognitive dissonance, here we come!

 

[Mimi]

Well, the thing that bugs me is, we can’t discuss any Bible or religion topics, but I’m praying about that. It’s disturbing when I hear her say “Mary was just a creature.” They believe any woman would have done. Or that for her and Joseph not to have had marital relations was unnatural, so therefore, they must have had other children. Um, maybe God picked Joseph bc he could be utterly trusted?? Perhaps he was impotent; there are lots of other possibilities. Of course, the CHurch teaches she was the New Ark. Like the Ark of the Covenant, she was pure (gold) inside, where the Word was kept and the Manna bread. Joseph would’ve recognized how holy she was. Perhpas he was imbued with such intimate knowledge that he just knew he couldn’t touch her lest he be struck dead. What an awesome responsibility he had! If more men today would take only a teensy amount of the kind of responsibility he had, we women (and our whole society) would be a far different place.

My friend, the fundamentalist (she called herself that), is also afraid of celebrating Xmas. I am tempted sometimes to say (during the Xmas season), “Well, gotta go; it’s time to go worship my artificial tree now.” But that’d be ba-a-ad… and naughty and then I’d have to apologize and… oh man, I gotta hit the sack. G’night.

Mimi

 

[SPH1]

Well, Christ definitely established a CHURCH with authority, doctrine, sacraments, etc.

This “Christ didn’t establish a religion” thing is a semantic game, ultimately intended to further erode the authority of Christ’s Church.