Jesus didn't stay dead. So what real sacrifice was there?

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VonDerTann said:
Apparently studies have been done
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I would be very interested is seeing the reports of these studies. Do you have references? I mean this as an actual request for information, not a veiled demand for proof.
 
whatistrue said:
I would be very interested is seeing the reports of these studies. Do you have references? I mean this as an actual request for information, not a veiled demand for proof.
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I’ve seen varying articles in the media - showing studies all claiming that believers are happier than non-believers.

Only very recently have I began to run across C&P commentary from Athiests - claiming that Atheists are happier - as if in purposeful contradiction to those other reports which paints a negative rather hopeless picture in many instances 0 including a larger phobia of death -
 
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Unfortunately I don’t. The source I saw it in was something like Psychology Today about a year ago, with a headline interesting enough that I read the article and it concluded as I stated. I looked for it on line and can’t find it now.
 
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It should be self-evident that those with Hope in Heaven,
are way less afraid then those whose Phobia of Oblivion overwhelms them…
as the angel of Death approaches…
 
EndTimes said:
Deserve is not a focus - rather, a necessity with regard to Redeeming Man and God

In carn ate Via God’s Spirit and Human Mary Means … His body is a Human body - Mortal - which did Die. .
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Deserve has alot to do with it. His body deserved to enjoy the glory of His soul. God is just.
If He wasn’t killed He wouldn’t have experienced death.
 
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The title of this thread is so irreverent. I have almost wished that you would take it down.

We should mourn and lament for him who was scourged and mocked and crucified for human transgressions and whose side was thrust through and pierced after He had died.

As prophesied in Zechariah…
On that day I will seek the destruction of all nations that come against Jerusalem. 10 I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of mercy and supplication, so that when they look on him whom they have thrust through, they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and they will grieve for him as one grieves over a firstborn.

New American Bible. (2011). (Revised Edition, Zec 12:9–10). Washington, DC: The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.
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The prayerfulness of Judah and Jerusalem is evidence of their conversion just as the prayerfulness of Saint Paul was evidence of his conversion.

Christ’s death on the Cross should live in our thoughts and imagination, for frequent thought on the Passion of Christ keeps aflame and brings to intense heat the fires of earnest piety. – Saint Bonaventure
 
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Jesus could save us even with one blink of eye but He used His passion and death to show us His love. His Resurrection is our hope in Eternal life.
I wouldn’t answer to that person about that question unless she is honestly looking for truth, not for fight, mocking.
 
VonDerTann said:
Apparently a very significant segment of the atheist subjects can’t or won’t say the words they’re asked to recite.
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“There are no atheists in a foxhole.”

And many “athiests” are more “contratheists”: it just isn’t possible to hate something that much when you don’t believe it’s real . . .
 
Although it’s just my personal opinion, I think many atheists don’t really “not believe in God,” so much as they fear the consequences on their lives if there is one: if there is a God, it leads to all sorts of other questions many don’t want to be asked, like “what does God want of me?,” “is He happy with what I’m doing or how I’m living my life?” Etc.

When we look around; there seem to be lots of people living like they’re never going to die and like no has ever said to them, “should you really be doing x?”, whatever X is.

Again, just my personal opinion.
 
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EloyCraft said:
Deserve has alot to do with it. His body deserved to enjoy the glory of His soul. God is just.
If He wasn’t killed He wouldn’t have experienced death.
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Murder is a grievous Sin… And those who handed Jesus to Pilate to do their dirty work - Sinned Mortally
 
Even more murderous they are. That was my point. Imagine if you weren’t going to experience death wouldn’t your life be experienced as more precious rather than less?
 
EloyCraft said:
. Imagine if you weren’t going to experience death wouldn’t your life be experienced as more precious rather than less?
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Followers of Jesus - by whatever manner - are not going to experience the Second Death.
 
Human life that knows no sin, body and soul, knows no death body and soul, so experiences immortality body and soul.

A body that is not subject to death is free of the need to survive. Imagine how profoundly different the sensitive powers are when directed toward serving the will rather than serving the need to survive.
 
What God did was definitely a sacrifice. Everything he went through before getting nailed on that cross, like the mocking, the slashes he received, the pain he felt at that point while he was nailed to the cross and said, “father why have you forsaken me.” He died three days and rose again, but like someone in the other posts said, who are we to determine how long he was so supposed to stay dead? The Lord died and gave his life for us and not just any death, but a death on the cross.
 
EloyCraft said:
A body that is not subject to death is free of the need to survive.
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Jesus’ incarnate body was subject to death and was killed/died.
His spirit lived…
And… then… He was raised …
 
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Jesus’s body was completely obedient to His will. That isn’t possible for a body subject to death.

Romans 7
22For I delight in the law of God in my inmost self, 23 but I see in my members another law at war with the law of my mind, making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!
 
Tell him to look up the word “sacrifice” in the dictionary instead of trying to make up his own ludicrously false definition of it. The whole point of a sacrifice is giving up something very good in order to get something MUCH better. e.g. to leave religion out of it, when a chess player sacrifices his Queen in order to force a checkmate. Or an athlete sacrifices his love of junk food and sleeping in, in order to win a championship.
 
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