Jesus died for your sins

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How is the view of Abraham seen as a story against all sacrifice instead of just human sacrifice? Abraham was sent a ram…(in Christianity this can be seen as full of types for Christ) so it is odd to think it is against all sacrifice. Or is the story completely different?
 
The story is a bit different in Islam. Ibrahim is sent a dream to sacrifice his son (it’s never explicitly said whether this is Ismail or Isaac, but the majority Sunni opinion as far as I’ve read has it that it was Ismail). Ibrahim goes to his son and tells the dream. The son agrees to submit to the will of God and they set up the sacrifice. The son is never bound, but lays down willingly. When Ibrahim takes the knife and begins to follow through by cutting the throat, though, he finds that his son has been replaced with a sheep and he has sacrificed a sheep instead. It was a test of faith for both Ibrahim and his son.

So, really, the sheep is sort of there incidentally. The idea of the sheep being a proxy sacrifice for the son doesn’t really appear the same way that it does in the Torah.
 
There’s still sacrificing a sheep for the Son instead, so how is it used as a message of all sacrifice being bad? Surely the sheep being there would be a miracle and thus OK for sacrifice?
 
The idea is that the sacrifice was never required at all, only the willingness to submit to the will of God. Ibrahim and his son proved their submission, so God miraculously substituted a sheep for the son to spare him and the sheep’s death was incidental with no spiritual value.

The Koran says that neither the blood nor the meat of an animal reaches Allah, only the pious intention. Animals were given to mankind to slaughter for food, which sometimes had a ritual component of prayer. But it’s not the animal that matters, only the thanks given to God for the food the animal represents.
 
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The sheep is of no significance. Ibrahim showed his submission by actually going through with cutting the throat. That God substituted a sheep instead of his son is only a means of preserving the son’s life while allowing Ibrahim to complete the action. If Ibrahim had been stopped before doing so, the question would have always remained whether he would have gone through with it if he hadn’t been stopped. God created a situation in which there could be no doubt. But the actual death of the animal is completely insignificant.
 
Wow.
That’s almost…empty, you know, as a Catholic.

To express how it seems. Not to be argumentative.
 
The Holy Spirit works wonders in men who open their hearts to knowing Christ. To utter the truth of man’s condition and the mysteries of God is, as we know, like planting a seed. It is the condition of the environment in which it’s planted that determines its growth. And anyone who’s struggled and then received renewed growth knows that the Holy Spirit is a great cultivator.
 
Many today don’t believe in sin or find it to be irrelevant.

If you open with this line on an atheist, expect to be slandered with comments about silly myths and the tooth fairy.
 
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