Jesus Disolved the Priesthood?

[Daniel_Marsh]

Mickey:

Romans 15:16

that I might be a minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering of the Gentiles might be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

The word used here is "hierourgeo" (to act as a priest).

I can dress and act as a policeman, that does not make me a policeman.

There is a difference between acting like, as something and being that something.

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

only Jesus holds the preisthood of Melchiezedek today and it is

Hebrews 7:24

But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. (KJV)

But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. (WBS)

but He, because He continues for ever, has a priesthood which does not pass to any successor. (WEY)

and he, because of his remaining – to the age, hath the priesthood not transient, (YLT)

home.computer.net/~cya/cy00038.html

Robertson’s Word Pictures of the New Testament

Because he abideth (dia to menein auton). Same idiom as in verse Philippians 23, “because of the abiding as to him” (accusative of general reference, auton). Unchangeable (aparabaton). Predicate adjective in the accusative (feminine of compound adjective like masculine), late double compound verbal adjective in Plutarch and papyri, from alpha privative and parabainw, valid or inviolate. The same idea in verse Philippians 3. God placed Christ in this priesthood and no one else can step into it. See verse Philippians 11 for ierwsunh.

bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/RobertsonsWordPictures/rwp.cgi?book=heb&chapter=007&verse=024&next=025&prev=023

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

1. The priesthood of Aaron was temporary and transferable. His priesthood ceased upon his death (v.23), at which time it was transferred to his son (Deuteronomy 10:6).

But the priesthood of Melchizedek and Christ is eternal and nontransferable. The priesthood of Melchizedek is figuratively eternal and nontransferable. Being a mortal, his life had both a beginning and an ending. However, Scriptures present him as a living priest only, without any reference to his birth and death. He therefore is figuratively “without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, [and] remains a priest continually” (v.3). Being figuratively “without genealogy” (v.3), his priesthood was neither inherited nor transferred.

The priesthood of Christ is literally eternal and nontransferable. He is a “priest … according to the power of an endless life” (vv.15f) and therefore “a priest forever” (v.17). “He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. Therefore He is able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He ever lives to make intercession for them” (vv.24f).

google.com/search?hl=en&q=NONTRANSFERABLE+priesthood&spell=1

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

It is clear we are not going to agree, it would be nice to see an outline for your scriptural case for priesthood.

 

[MrS]

Daniel Marsh:

It is clear we are not going to agree, it would be nice to see an outline for your scriptural case for priesthood.

see post #11… if you want to borrow the CD set… PM me… I am not that far away.

 

[JoeyWarren]

MrS:

see post #11… if you want to borrow the CD set… PM me… I am not that far away.

A very nice and charitable gesture there MrS!

 

[Mickey]

Daniel Marsh:

I can dress and act as a policeman, that does not make me a policeman.

There is a difference between acting like, as something and being that something.

Hello officer Marsh.

The apostles have preached the Gospel to us from the Lord Jesus Christ; Jesus Christ has done so from God. Christ therefore was sent forth by God, and the apostles by Christ. Both these appointments, then, were made in an orderly way, according to the will of God. Having therefore received their orders, and being fully assured by the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, and established in the word of God, with full assurance of the Holy Ghost, they went forth proclaiming that the kingdom of God was at hand. And thus preaching through countries and cities, they appointed the first-fruits [of their labors], having first proved them by the Spirit, to be bishops and deacons of those who should afterwards believe. Nor was this any new thing, since indeed many ages before it was written concerning bishops and deacons. For thus saith the Scripture a certain place, “I will appoint their bishops s in righteousness, and their deacons in faith.”
**First Epistle Of Clement To The Corinthians, Chap. XLII **

 

[Mickey]

I don’t know anything more wretched than the soul, which refuses to honor priests. That soul is full of demonic frenzy.
REF:Saint John Chrysostom

 

[flameburns623]

Mickey:

I don’t know anything more wretched than the soul, which refuses to honor priests. That soul is full of demonic frenzy.
REF:Saint John Chrysostom

With all due respect to the good St. John C., there are a great many things IMHO much more wretched than one who declines to ‘honor priests’. In any case, Protestants are not refusing to honor priests–they are having a disagreement with Catholics over who is a priest and who has that priesthood. As has been noted repeatedly, for Protestants the only real priest–in His own right–is Jesus Christ. All believers, insomuch as they partake of the life of Christ, share in the priesthood of Christ. A rather very different thing than refusing to honor priests.

 

[JoeyWarren]

I think that hebrews 7:24 is taken out context. The priesthood of Levi was perishable based on that it is handed down from daddy to son and you could eventially have the priesthood disolved if every initial line ended in only daughters being born. Meaning that the NONTRANSFERABLE is referencing the “daddy to son” inheritance of the priesthood.

The priesthood is nontransferable in the sense that a son can no longer inherit a position as priest from his daddy, but that priesthood is conferred by appointment from another priest by the power of the holy spirit as was done in the upper room when Jesus breathed the “Power and Lifegiving” breath upon his appointed Apostles.This breath is the same breath that God used to give the power of being to a hunk of Clay in Genesis.

Secondly, The priesthood of Jesus, is refering to his HIGH PRIESTHOOD, not the little priesthood in general.

I have read this chapter thoroughly in all it’s versions. This where you have to step back read the whole chapter and discover the context of the message and not zeroing in on one particular verse as proof.

 

[Mickey]

flameburns623:

With all due respect to the good St. John C., there are a great many things IMHO much more wretched than one who declines to ‘honor priests’. In any case, Protestants are not refusing to honor priests–they are having a disagreement with Catholics over who is a priest and who has that priesthood.

With all due respect, I think that denying a priesthood exists, is a failure to honor priests. But of course I don’t read hearts, so I am not the judge of this. I simply pasted a quote by St John Chrysostom in order to show the degree of respect for the priesthood shared by Catholics and Orthodox.

A priest is not God, but the priest has the power to confer or convey the forgiveness of God—not by his own power but by the power that Christ conferred on his apostles.

 

[mercygate]

flameburns623:

With all due respect to the good St. John C., there are a great many things IMHO much more wretched than one who declines to ‘honor priests’. In any case, Protestants are not refusing to honor priests–they are having a disagreement with Catholics over who is a priest and who has that priesthood. As has been noted repeatedly, for Protestants the only real priest–in His own right–is Jesus Christ. All believers, insomuch as they partake of the life of Christ, share in the priesthood of Christ. A rather very different thing than refusing to honor priests.

That is solid Catholic teaching. There is only One Priest. The Catholic position is that the Priests of the Church derive their priesthood by a participation in the Priesthood of Christ. We also emphatically accept that all believers are a royal priesthood in Christ. We also acknowledge a distinction between the general priesthood of all believers and the ministerial Priesthood clearly established and operational in the New Testament.

 

[JoeyWarren]

mercygate:

That is solid Catholic teaching. There is only One Priest. The Catholic position is that the Priests of the Church derive their priesthood by a participation in the Priesthood of Christ. We also emphatically accept that all believers are a royal priesthood in Christ. We also acknowledge a distinction between the general priesthood of all believers and the ministerial Priesthood clearly established and operational in the New Testament.

oooooooooh! that was good!

 

[mrs_abbott]

Obviously since Jesus isn’t standing directly in front of us like he was his disciples, things are open to interpretation. I am a cradle Catholic and to this day I remain Catholic, but in name only. My faith in the Catholic Church is not as high as it used to be. There’s nothing wrong with that either. It’s important to question things to better understand.
Ever heard the saying that faith and good works will save you? I believe that is VERY true. There’s no right or wrong religion. A belief in God or god-like figure (Buddha, etc.) is good because it gives us something to live for in this corrupt world that we live in. The only people I don’t understand are atheists. I would think it’d be a depressing life to think that after you die, that’s it. No more.
Back to the question at hand, did Jesus dissolve the priesthood? It’s a matter that can’t be determined because Jesus isn’t here to answer that. The Bible is open to thousands of interpretations so it’s not a reliable source to prove facts because someone will always disagree with someone else over it.
That’s my take on this whole thing.

 

[Mickey]

mrs_abbott:

things are open to interpretation.

No they are not.

mrs_abbott:

I am a cradle Catholic and to this day I remain Catholic, but in name only.

Then with all due respect, you are not really Catholic.

mrs_abbott:

My faith in the Catholic Church is not as high as it used to be.

You must pray about this.

mrs_abbott:

There’s no right or wrong religion.

I beleive that way of thinking is in line with an old heresy called “syncretism”.

mrs_abbott:

The Bible is open to thousands of interpretations so it’s not a reliable source to prove facts because someone will always disagree with someone else over it.

You have just stated the dilemma of protestantism. The 2000 year old Catholic Church, the Church insitituted by Christ Himself, has given us Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and the magisterial teaching office for proper interpretation and discernment of the truth. You must ponder these things in prayer.

Peace and blessings,
Mickey

 

[mrs_abbott]

I have a question, Mickey. Have you ever questioned your faith or have you always believed what you’ve learned from books?

 

[Mickey]

mrs_abbott:

I have a question, Mickey. Have you ever questioned your faith or have you always believed what you’ve learned from books?

I think all human beings have questioned their faith or will question their faith at some point in their lives. It is an unfortunate consequence of our fallen human nature. But there comes a time when we must walk in faith–to persevere. I hope you can come to a point when you realize how fortunate you are to have access to the sacraments of the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Church. Please don’t feel that I am being too harsh. Yes, there was a time when I was a non-practicing Catholic. I did not know my faith, and I did not want to know it. Then one day I came to a realization. I am going to die someday! Am I ready to die? What will become of me? I’m not an atheist, so I do not believe that I will cease to exist. I went on a mission to get reaquainted with my faith. And what did I find? I found an endless well-spring of grace and knowledge residing in the Church I was born into and almost abandoned–the Catholic Church. I began to study and pray–to attend daily Liturgy–to return to the sacrament of reconciliation. My life changed. You see Mrs abbott, it’s not all about what I learned in books. The Catholic Church holds the deposit of faith transmitted through apostolic succession. This truth speaks to my heart during prayer and through countless example of love I experience through my earthly relationships.

Love God with all your being–and love your neighbor as yourself. Talk to God in prayer every night and ask Him to open your heart to the truth. You will be blessed for ages unto ages. Amen.

Peace,
Mickey

 

[George_Waters]

Nice post Mickey! Good advice for us all!

 

[mrs_abbott]

I was just a little insulted that you said that I wasn’t really Catholic anymore when I said that I’m Catholic in name only and don’t practice that much anymore.
You’re being hypocritical and portraying yourself like you’re holier than thou and criticizing those who have different beliefs than you.
This is what I dispise most about the Catholic Church. They teach that their religion is the only way to salvation but look around at all the other people around you just trying to make the most out of their lives by attending the church that they knew is right?
I went to Catholic schools for 12 years and I’m not totally knocking down Catholicism. I just am pointing that everything that is ran by man has room for error. Nothing is perfect. I don’t think you should follow something blindly and devote your entire existence to it. The world demands that we must work for a living and also be good people. You can’t walk around with your head on cloud 9 like those people do on the Praise and Worship videos. There needs to be an equal balance.
I know you’re trying to help but I get defensive when people, especially really holy Catholics, preach that Catholicism is the only way to go and they only way you’ll be saved. I believe you need to follow your conscience and do what’s right, whether it’s be Protestant or Catholic.

 

[tdandh26]

It is an obvious fact that Christ instituted a hierarchial structure in His Church. First, Jesus says, in Matt. ch.5 v.17-20 “I have not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it…” In this we can see that Christ did not come to just begin some new religion, but to transform the Jewish religion into a more perfect state. Thus, much of the former would remain while the things in themselves would have a mich higher and spiritual meaning.

We could prove a religion is valid by a comparison to the old Jewish religion, in that they should resemble one another. While certain practices of old seem barbaric, yet they still exist in the perfect state which Christ transformed them.

It is a fact that when God instituted the priesthood of the Israelites, He placed Aaron above all of the others. This can be seen in the vestments which Aaron wore, and which were passed on to His successor. We can also see in the new testament, in the Gospels, an almost disgust at the degree to which this priesthood had fallen. They were selling and buying the highpriests place as if it were of no other (name removed by moderator)ortance than that of a place of honor.

God does not change, and Jesus made all things new, in that He restored things as they should be. Peter made head of his fellow bishops, not to rule over them, but rather to be the final say when difficult issues would arise. As God guided Aaron of old when difficluties arose, so too does He now when questions of difficulty arise that seperate the bretheren.

How is it that no matter which religion one belongs to, they try to justify their position on purely human ideas? It has been told to us through the apostles and Christ to hold to ALL Truth and Sacred Tradition. Is it out of pride that some denounce the pope , so as to make it so no one is in authority over them? If even a miserable layman such as myself can see the great and Infinite Wisdom of God within His Church, how is it that those who have for more knowledge and a capacity for truth miss it through self pride?

Was it not said so famously “I will not serve”? I do not suppose that people today, for the most part, go as far as to say “I will not serve.” Rather they opt for the paradox in which is said “give me the fellowship and feel good activities of the church, but do not give me any authoritative truth which is in direct conflict with the way I choose to live.” Thus they detest that which leads them to salvation and choose for the flower laced snares of that life which lines the wide path to perdition.