Jesus/Divinity

[JW55]

I recently heard a priest say that Jesus only became aware of his divinity upon his resurrection. To me this would seem to be incorrect. I realize that Jesus’ human nature would grow by faith and knowledge through time, but I would think he would have been aware of his divine nature at the latest when he was baptized by John the Baptist and the Holy Spirit descended on him. Actually I believe it would have been much earlier than that. If nothing else, Mary was aware of it before his birth and I would have thought she would have shared that with him at some point.

Opinions?

 

[jjformica]

I’m no theologian, but that doesn’t make any sense to me. If Jesus was not aware of His divine nature, how do you explain the Transfiguration? That’s just for starters. What about turning water into wine at the Wedding at Cana? Healing lepers, raising the dead, driving out deamons, walking on water… the list goes on.

Are you sure you heard the priest correctly?

 

[Verbum_Caro]

JW55,

You’re correct. Jesus knew He was God from the moment of His incarnation.

Christ, in His human intellect,“from the beginning knew all things in the Word, past, present, and future, or all things that God knows by the knowledge of vision.” (Denzinger “Sources of Catholic Dogma” 2184 – the response of the Holy Office is that the above is “certain”.)

VC

 

[thistle]

JW55,

You’re correct. Jesus knew He was God from the moment of His incarnation.

Christ, in His human intellect,“from the beginning knew all things in the Word, past, present, and future, or all things that God knows by the knowledge of vision.” (Denzinger “Sources of Catholic Dogma” 2184 – the response of the Holy Office is that the above is “certain”.)

VC

How does that fit in with what Jesus said in Mark 13:32

“But of that day or hour, no one knows, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”

While I understand his divine nature knows these things. What he said implies his human nature did not know.

 

[Verbum_Caro]

Hi Thistle,

St. Thomas gives a few possible explanations in the Summa (III, 10, 2, reply obj. 1) And there are a few other possible explanations of that passage.

One very likely one, to my mind, is that Christ is saying that He does not know as man the day and the hour. In other words His knowledge of the time is not by virtue of His human intellect, but we can be sure that He knows it in His human intellect (as well as in and by virtue of His Divine intellect).

Thoughts?
VC

 

[thistle]

Hi Thistle,

St. Thomas gives a few possible explanations in the Summa (III, 10, 2, reply obj. 1) And there are a few other possible explanations of that passage.

One very likely one, to my mind, is that Christ is saying that He does not know as man the day and the hour. In other words His knowledge of the time is not by virtue of His human intellect, but we can be sure that He knows it in His human intellect (as well as in and by virtue of His Divine intellect).

Thoughts?
VC

No immediate thoughts as I read the link and there is a lot to take in and consider. I’ll have to read a few times to let it sink in but it seems there certainly were apparent contradictory views by the Early Church fathers on whether Jesus the man knew everything or not. Thanks for the link and your thoughts on this.

 

[Verbum_Caro]

Ok Thistle,

I think the most important thing is that whatever the explanation of that passage, it must not contradict the fact that Christ knew in His human intellect, from the very beginning, that He was God and that Christ knew, in His human intellect, the day and hour of His return.

VC

 

[thistle]

Ok Thistle,

I think the most important thing is that whatever the explanation of that passage, it must not contradict the fact that Christ knew in His human intellect, from the very beginning, that He was God and that Christ knew, in His human intellect, the day and hour of His return.
VC

I forgot to ask before but where can I find this in the CCC. All teachings of the Church are there but I’ve tried searches unsuccessfully on this topic.

 

[Verbum_Caro]

Catechism 474:

474 By its union to the divine wisdom in the person of the Word incarnate, Christ enjoyed in his human knowledge the fullness of understanding of the eternal plans he had come to reveal.What he admitted to not knowing in this area, he elsewhere declared himself not sent to reveal.

God Bless,
VC

 

[thistle]

Catechism 474:

474 By its union to the divine wisdom in the person of the Word incarnate, Christ enjoyed in his human knowledge the fullness of understanding of the eternal plans he had come to reveal.What he admitted to not knowing in this area, he elsewhere declared himself not sent to reveal.

God Bless,
VC

Many thanks. I was going round in circles trying to find it.