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redeemed1
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I found the answer to this question very unsatisfying since Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, how could he have any DNA? Impossible!
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Juxtaposer
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I think that has to do with the whole fully man thing. As the Orthodox would say, “It’s a mystery.”
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RobedWithLight
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Why should it be impossible for God ? After all, the eternal Word clothed Himself with a fully human body, so as to be one with us, therefore it is reasonable to assume He may have had DNA like us.
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redeemed1
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With God all things are possible, but do you really believe Almighty God has DNA?
Not only that, Jesus said,
Not only that, Jesus said,
He didn’t come here to be one with us, but that we would be one with HIM. In heaven we won’t have DNA anymore either.
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mrS4ntA
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Actually, the Church teaches that the Man nature of Christ is “mere cloth” – as in God disguising Himself as a man. The Man nature of Christ is fully Man – with soul and the whole deal. The Church calls it the “Hypostatic Union.”Why should it be impossible for God ? After all, the eternal Word clothed Himself with a fully human body, so as to be one with us, therefore it is reasonable to assume He may have had DNA like us.
Gerry
So, the eternal Word became Man – He assumed Man’s nature. Hence, He has two natures. He does not merely “clothed Himself with a … body.”
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redeemed1
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In the likeness (visual) that does not mean he had the human sinful nature as we do. Hence, no (human) DNA. This would leave Mary’s DNA out of the picture since He is still God and she is not. She says as recorded in Luke that her soul does rejoice in God my Saviour.
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RobedWithLight
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Let me ask you this. Do you** believe** the eternal Word assumed human flesh?
It is true that Almighty God did not have DNA because He is pure spirit. But what about the Incarnate Son who though God, had assumed human flesh?
The Gospel of John (1:1-18) reminds us that the Word was made flesh and dwelt amongst us. If the Word became flesh, flesh here refers to physical flesh, hence a human body. If He assumed a human body that is radically different [lacks the characteristics of humanity, including DNA], do you think He would really be and truly be 100 % human? If we will find it impossible for Jesus’ human body to have DNA, we can also make potentially absurd assumptions such as for instance, it is “impossible” that Christ had white blood cells, or that He had no pancreas.
If Christ’s body lacked such essential characteristics like DNA, then He would likewise not be truly and fully human, and hence would not truly be like us in all things except sin. If we find it hard to believe that Jesus had DNA, then by logical extension we would also find it hard to believe that He had a truly human physical body at all.
Unless of course you believe that Christ’s body was a phantom.
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RobedWithLight
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Does the absence or presence of DNA **determine **whether one is of a sinful nature or not ?
If you likewise say He[Jesus] is still God[which Catholics also affirm], do you likewise affirm that He is human as well?
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redeemed1
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As stated before, anything is possible with God. We agree to that, right? Okay, if that is so, then why can’t He be manifest in the flesh as a human and not have our sinful DNA? It is possible with God!
The Bible says that the life is in the blood. Right? But, Jesus is different in that He is God. His life is pure and His blood is pure. That is the only way He could be the Saviour of those who believe in Him.
The Lord has given man certain wisdom, in that we know that the blood of the mother does not usually pass onto the child inutero, but if it does the child will die or visa versa, the mother. It is a proven fact that the two are not compatible in the womb. Hence the fallacy of the “immaculate conception”. Virgin birth yes, but Mary was not born without sin or she wouldn’t have rejoiced in God her Saviour.
It is truly a miracle, the virgin birth, but it is not unreasonable to believe that Jesus did not have human DNA **as we do, **since we are sinful and there is only One who was born without sin. He, Jesus, is without sin and therefore I believe it is God’s way of saying that even though allows man to come up with all this technology, He is ultimately in control, and His way of saying we can’t get away with anything. Our sin will find us out.
Perhaps I should have stated in the original title of this thread, Jesus DNA? Not like sinful ours. I am sure that if we could do a study on Jesus DNA (if there is any) it would definitely not be found in this world.
Something else that puzzles me about your response is that Jesus told the disciples Luke 24:39-41 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones, as you see me have. And when he had thus spoken, he showed them his hands and his feet. And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have you here any food?
Here Jesus says this and asks for food, yet He eats. So how impossible is that in this realm of our human understanding. Notice too, no blood. No DNA as we know it.
HMMMMM.
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LaSalle
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If the Shroud does indeed belong to Jesus, and He has DNA, technically … we could get His DNA and clone His human part!!
How’s that for scary?
How’s that for scary?
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preyoflove
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Brothers and sisters in Christ and in His Mother Mary, I just got hit by a thought. Does human blood contain DNA? If so, didn’t we have miracles of consecrated hosts changing into flesh, complete with blood? I seem to have read somewhere that the blood extracted from such hosts was found to be Type O. Have they found DNA in there? Because if they have, then that is an scientific, demonstrable, empirical proof that our Lord has DNA since the Eucharist is undoubtedly the Body and Blood of our Lord. My gosh, if there is DNA in there indeed, don’t you think someone would be diabolical enough to use it for. . .you-know-what-I-mean.:nope:
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redeemed1
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How can you possibly say that it is all contained in the so-called Eucharist? Not even a term the Apostles used or a doctrine they taught. It sounds more like babylonian religiosity to me. I don’t know for sure who is giving you your theology; sounds more like devil talk to me, but the Bible is clear that Jesus blood was shed on the cross and His body is now in heaven.
Here is a description of the risen Lord.
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, says the Lord, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:12-19 And I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden lampstands; And in the midst of the seven lampstands one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girded about the breast with a golden belt. His head and his hair were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine bronze, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp two edged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shines in its strength. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that lives, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive forevermore, Amen; and have the keys of hades and of death. Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
This doesn’t sound like anything that has been posted about the LORD of the universe. HMMMMM?
Here is a description of the risen Lord.
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, says the Lord, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:12-19 And I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden lampstands; And in the midst of the seven lampstands one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girded about the breast with a golden belt. His head and his hair were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine bronze, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp two edged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shines in its strength. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that lives, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive forevermore, Amen; and have the keys of hades and of death. Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
This doesn’t sound like anything that has been posted about the LORD of the universe. HMMMMM?
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RobedWithLight
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There is nothing puzzling about my response, my friend. I merely asked you an honest question, that is, if you believe that Christ’s body was a phantom, because I wanted to be clear about your assumptions. It was a question, not an assertion, so please don’t be puzzled about it.
And since you seem to agree with me that our Lord had flesh and bones, then there is no dispute about this specific issue concerning Christ’s physicality and humanity, and we can leave it at that. However, if there was no blood when He showed Thomas His wounds, He did shed blood when He was scourged, when the nails pierced His hands and feet, and when the soldier’s spear punctured His side. Of course we should remember that Jesus’ body after the Resurrection was a glorified body. The answer my friend is clear: He did shed blood during His passion and death.
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RobedWithLight
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Even if cloning were possible, do you think God would allow it?
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mrS4ntA
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Says who that our DNA is sinful. Human nature, by its very nature, is not sinful. God does not create sin – this comes from Man’s disobedience. Human DNA is created by God. Hence it’s not sinful by itself.
We have, however, a fallen nature. We are sinful because of Original Sin – Man’s disobedience to God. That’s what makes one sinful, not his DNA!
I’m waiting, too, for you to answer whether you believe Christ’s human nature is real of phantomical (which you seem to assert all along)
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RobedWithLight
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Please be reminded that we have to be more respectful of people’s opinions here, if you want to continue with this interesting discussion.
Gerry
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mrS4ntA
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I don’t get it.
When you fall into a traphole, you’d rejoice and thank someone who’d pulled you out of the hole,
but you would not rejoice and thank someone who’d prevented you falling into the hole in the first place…
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mrS4ntA
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Are you saying that Jesus, then, is not Man, after all??
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AlanFromWichita
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In the “nature” v. “nurture” argument for Original Sin, I take an approach that may sound on the surface like nurture. I think human flesh is not sinful, but is susceptible to sin, which is highly contageous. I do not believe an innocent baby is sinful, (unless sinfulness is so contageous that it can infect the infant in the womb) but cannot be anything but sinful once exposed to other judgmental humans. Bear with me here – I’m making this stuff up as I go along.
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