Jesus' geneaology

[shirleytowers]

Why does Jesus’ geneaology go to Joseph, when Joseph is not actually his father? Shouldn’t it go to Mary or her father or mother or something?

 

[HailMary]

Why does Jesus’ geneaology go to Joseph, when Joseph is not actually his father? Shouldn’t it go to Mary or her father or mother or something?

Jesus is the Son of David and Joseph is from the royal lineage. He is the decedent of King David. St. Joseph is the lost king when the Babylonians forced marriages and they could not tell who was from which tribe.

 

[Ron_Conte]

The promise that the Messiah would be the son of David is fulfilled in two ways:

1. under the Law, since Joseph and Mary were betrothed prior to the Incarnation, Joseph was legally the father of Jesus
2. through the flesh, since Mary was also a descendent of the house of David

Ron

 

[mercygate]

There are 2 genealogies in the New Testament, one through Mary and the other through Joseph.

 

[porthos11]

There are 2 genealogies in the New Testament, one through Mary and the other through Joseph.

This is a common misconception, but is not true. Both the Matthean and Lucan genealogies are through Joseph, and there is nothing in the texts that indicate any reckoning through Mary.

Jesus is the heir of the Davidic line according to his paternal ancestry, i.e. through Joseph, who was Jesus’ legal father, and both genealogies attest to this.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

It was a highly patriarchal society (only the men count). Marriage within the tribe was desired and standard. So by Joseph being from the tribe it is implied his wife and children would be the same.

 

[wjp984]

I wondered this myself. I would have thought the lineage would have had to go through Mary since Joseph is only the foster child. In fact, this is the first year I have paid attention to that gospel and noticed it ended with Joseph and not Mary and it made me wonder.

 

[thistle]

It was a highly patriarchal society (only the men count). Marriage within the tribe was desired and standard. So by Joseph being from the tribe it is implied his wife and children would be the same.

It might well have been the case Mary was from the House of David (we don’t know) but Portos11 is correct in that both Gospels refer to the line of Jesus through Joseph.

 

[Deacon_Joseph]

This is a common misconception, but is not true. Both the Matthean and Lucan genealogies are through Joseph, and there is nothing in the texts that indicate any reckoning through Mary.

Jesus is the heir of the Davidic line according to his paternal ancestry, i.e. through Joseph, who was Jesus’ legal father, and both genealogies attest to this.

God waited until Mary was betrothed to Joseph first, so Jesus’ ancestry would be that of the Davidic line. I have heard Jeff Cavins say, or maybe it was Scott Hahn that Mary was from the Levi tribe. Does anyone have any data on this?

 

[thistle]

catholic.com/thisrock/1997/9712chap.asp

 

[shirleytowers]

Thank you. This helps some. It seems like it is still a bit unclear to all.

 

[JamesBraganza]

The promise that the Messiah would be the son of David is fulfilled in two ways:

1. under the Law, since Joseph and Mary were betrothed prior to the Incarnation, Joseph was legally the father of Jesus
2. through the flesh, since Mary was also a descendent of the house of David

Ron

Mr. Conte,
I could'nt find in the Scripture the lineage from David to Mary.

 

[LumenGentium]

Why does Jesus’ geneaology go to Joseph, when Joseph is not actually his father? Shouldn’t it go to Mary or her father or mother or something?

the two genealogies are actually different.

the differences start from david down to joseph/mary

jesus is actually born from the line of nathan, not solomon.

the line of joseph through solomon is recorded in matthew.

the line through mary is recorded in luke.

 

[Atemi]

Why does Jesus’ geneaology go to Joseph, when Joseph is not actually his father? Shouldn’t it go to Mary or her father or mother or something?

Mary herself even called Joseph Jesus’ father.

From my understanding, adoptive parents are no less parents than biological ones in the Roman Catholic Church. Anyone can correct me if that has changed.

 

[LumenGentium]

Mary herself even called Joseph Jesus’ father.

From my understanding, adoptive parents are no less parents than biological ones in the Roman Catholic Church. Anyone can correct me if that has changed.

biologically jesus is from the line of mary through david’s son nathan, not his son solomon. david’s son, nathan, was named after the prophet nathan. and is the son of bathsheba as was solomon. the political ruling line continued under solomon, while the line of nathan was hidden. but the kingdom split, after solomon passed away, into the northern and southern kingdom. the split was between his son rehoboam and a servant. 10 tribes split away and went or were given to the servant to rule, so they do not have the bloodline of jesus. and are not the line of promise.

the line of promise was extended to mary and joseph through nathan and solomon. but technically, biologically, the line of promise was fulfilled in mary through nathan. she was the inheritance. jesus was the promise fulfilled. so from a bloodline point of view it is over after jesus. and he did not have children. the inheritance was jesus. and he chose to give his power and authority to peter, not to the chief priests or ruling class of the jews. the new rule he gave to peter to oversee.

its sad that all this fighting and scheming over an inheritance, from cain/abel to the time of jesus, was really about something no one had control over, genetics.

 

[porthos11]

the two genealogies are actually different.

the differences start from david down to joseph/mary

jesus is actually born from the line of nathan, not solomon.

the line of joseph through solomon is recorded in matthew.

the line through mary is recorded in luke.

Again, there is no support for this whatsoever in either text.

Both genealogies are of Joseph, not Mary, and Jesus’s ancestry is by virtue of his being a son of Joseph. Mary’s ancestry is irrelevant in this case.

 

[LumenGentium]

Again, there is no support for this whatsoever in either text.

Both genealogies are of Joseph, not Mary, and Jesus’s ancestry is by virtue of his being a son of Joseph. Mary’s ancestry is irrelevant in this case.

it is relevent because jesus’s bodily flesh is from mary’s seed, not joseph’s. mary is the one that counts. joseph is the foster father. he did not contribute any sperm/genetic material to the flesh of jesus. the flesh came from woman, not man. THAT is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, from a genesis book point of view, as well as all the promises god made about his inheritance to all the generations from adam to jesus.

the genealogies are different. i urge you to check them for yourself. the book of luke is from mary’s life, not joseph’s.

it is also important for the understanding of jesus as having two natures and also the issue of the trinity.

it is also important for driving home the point that joseph did not get mary pregnant. and that mary was very special and has a very important role to play in salvation history. that she was born without sin is the most important issue and did not commit sin at any time of her life including the matter of the conception of jesus. it is important to acknowledge that no man contributed any seed/flesh to jesus’ flesh. it is very very very important.

 

[fellowChristian]

Matthew 1 Is through Joseph
The Genealogy of Jesus

1A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham:
2Abraham was the father of Isaac,
Isaac the father of Jacob,
Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,
3Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar,
Perez the father of Hezron,
Hezron the father of Ram,
4Ram the father of Amminadab,
Amminadab the father of Nahshon,
Nahshon the father of Salmon,
5Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab,
Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth,
Obed the father of Jesse,
6and Jesse the father of King David.
David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah’s wife,
7Solomon the father of Rehoboam,
Rehoboam the father of Abijah,
Abijah the father of Asa,
8Asa the father of Jehoshaphat,
Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram,
Jehoram the father of Uzziah,
9Uzziah the father of Jotham,
Jotham the father of Ahaz,
Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,
10Hezekiah the father of Manasseh,
Manasseh the father of Amon,
Amon the father of Josiah,
11and Josiah the father of Jeconiah and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.
12After the exile to Babylon:
Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,
Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,
13Zerubbabel the father of Abiud,
Abiud the father of Eliakim,
Eliakim the father of Azor,
14Azor the father of Zadok,
Zadok the father of Akim,
Akim the father of Eliud,
15Eliud the father of Eleazar,
Eleazar the father of Matthan,
Matthan the father of Jacob,
16and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Joseph had two fathers?Jacob and Heli?

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Luke 3** is through Mary

23Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,
the son of Heli, 24the son of Matthat,
the son of Levi, the son of Melki,
the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph,
25the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos,
the son of Nahum, the son of Esli,
the son of Naggai, 26the son of Maath,
the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein,
the son of Josech, the son of Joda,
27the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa,
the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel,
the son of Neri, 28the son of Melki,
the son of Addi, the son of Cosam,
the son of Elmadam, the son of Er,
29the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer,
the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat,
the son of Levi, 30the son of Simeon,
the son of Judah, the son of Joseph,
the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim,
31the son of Melea, the son of Menna,
the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan,
the son of David, 32the son of **Jesse, **
the son of Obed, the son of Boaz,
the son of Salmon, the son of Nahshon,
33the son of Amminadab, the son of Ram,
the son of Hezron, the son of Perez,
the son of Judah, 34the son of Jacob,
the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham,
the son of Terah, the son of Nahor,
35the son of Serug, the son of Reu,
the son of Peleg, the son of Eber,
the son of Shelah, 36the son of Cainan,
the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem,
the son of Noah, the son of Lamech,
37the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch,
the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel,
the son of Kenan, 38the son of Enosh,
the son of Seth, the son of Adam,
the son of God.

bcbsr.com/survey/sgosp1.html

biblia.com/jesusbible/genealogy-jesus.htm

gotquestions.org/Jesus-genealogy.html

Joseph adopted Jesus

 

[porthos11]

it is relevent because jesus’s bodily flesh is from mary’s seed, not joseph’s. mary is the one that counts. joseph is the foster father.

St. Joseph was no foster father. He may not have been Jesus’ biological father, but he was in every other sense, his father.

he did not contribute any sperm/genetic material to the flesh of jesus. the flesh came from woman, not man. THAT is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, from a genesis book point of view, as well as all the promises god made about his inheritance to all the generations from adam to jesus.

Descent is not based solely on genetics. That’s why it’s not necessary for Mary to be Davidic for all this to be true. Jesus’ Davidic line is through Joseph. He does not need to be Jesus’ biological father for this to be true either.

the genealogies are different. i urge you to check them for yourself. the book of luke is from mary’s life, not joseph’s.

Again both genealogies are of Joseph. Luke does not present the genealogy of Mary. Nowhere does either text indicate a Marian genalogy.

it is also important for the understanding of jesus as having two natures and also the issue of the trinity.

it is also important for driving home the point that joseph did not get mary pregnant. and that mary was very special and has a very important role to play in salvation history. that she was born without sin is the most important issue and did not commit sin at any time of her life including the matter of the conception of jesus. it is important to acknowledge that no man contributed any seed/flesh to jesus’ flesh. it is very very very important.

And none of these are contradicted even if Mary wasn’t Davidic.

 

[porthos11]

Joseph had two fathers?Jacob and Heli?

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Apparently yes. The Bible says so.

** Luke 3** is through Mary

No it isn’t, and you yourself quote it.

23Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,
the son of Heli,

Joseph adopted Jesus

And it’s precisely that adoption that makes Jesus a descendant of David.