"JESUS IS LORD"/ "JESUS IS GOD" controversy

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One of the Major reason why none Christian Religion had point in accusing us Christians/Catholics, is because of these doubled-sided statement in the Bible which state that :
  1. Jesus is LORD/GOD
  2. Jesus is the Son of GOD
    The teaching by faith makes us realize that Jesus is the Real God and not like God nor a Prophet if am not wrong.
    These then are the questions people will keep asking till eternity, but let us leave faith aside while answering the questions and speak like Human being, then end with Faith maybe.
    A) If Jesus is God, why in many instances in the Bible did he referred to Himself and the son of God?
    B) Why did He always mention that “I and My FATHER are one”, I am going to the Father who sent Me" I will seat at the right hand of the Father, In My Father’s House there are many rooms and many like that.
    C) Why Can’t He Just say directly that I Am GOD/LORD once and for all and not say otherwise is other text.
  3. Can we say it is misinterpretation of the translators of the Bible that reflected Jesus as the son of God and not God in other places?
    NOTE: I already know that JESUS is GOD by faith, do not just say HE is by posting Bible verses because there are also many Bible verses that can also claim HE is not but just be a good teacher. Teach a lay person that never understood the twist like that of “TRINITY”. If you say, it is beyond human Understanding “Mystery”, those that says HE is not GOD can also easily call it a mystery of HIM not being GOD and not able to explain. Thanks.
 
Um, that’s what He was executed for.
A speaker always remembers their audience.
He fulfilled all prophesy.
 
That’s false, the book of acts says they had no charge against him. They executed him simply for challenging their authority.
 
UGH. You know what I meant. He WAS executed. We can quibble as to why.
My point stands.
They even said they were upset that He called Himself the Messiah.
Pilate asked Him about it, and it was part of His trial
 
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But the Messiah was not expected to be God.

Still, the Jews thought Jesus blasphemed in all sorts of ways. “Forgiving sins” for one. Who can do that but God? Working on the Sabbath. Reinterpretation of scripture and traditions. “One with the Father”!!

This all shows how words fail description of divinity. One with the Father yet also different. Extending that unity to us, in the Gospel of John especially.
 
I think some people might call it heretical, but I do not think Jesus claimed to be God in Matthew, Mark or Luke.
Even in the Gospel of John he only ever claims preexistence and never explicitly says “I am God”.
It is obvious to me that the doctrine that Jesus was God is a later development logically following from the belief found in John that Jesus always existed, that he came down from heaven etc.
 
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If the Father is the source and ground of all Being and we all derive our own existence from God, then it seems to me that we all have an intimate connection with The Father. But Jesus is the only one who fully knew and relaized this intimate relationship, lived and breathed it. Ate it as his food. We, on the other hand, hardly have a clue and even hold doubts. The life and teaching of Jesus show us the way if we only follow his path and believe. What makes him different, a true “Sone of God” is his realization, loyalty and obedience. Few of us could be obedient to the cross. We balk at our own smaller crosses.
 
I think it’s dangerous to say we can’t imitate Christ. That is the danger of putting Christ on the pedestal of “God” and perhaps why the early Christians were reluctant to do so.
It is our duty as Christians be in the same relationship with the Father as Christ was.

“The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me.” - John 17:22-23
 
I wish there was an easy answer to this age-old question as well. 😁

Basically, we are faced with two logical conclusions; either Jesus is God, or He is not. Both cannot be true and if Jesus is not God, then He is a created creature. Much like the Jehovah’s Witnesses claim He is. However, I don’t find scriptural evidence to suggest that Jesus is a highly exulted angel, much less Michael the Archangel.

The two most common objections I hear towards Christ’s divinity are those posed by the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Oneness Pentecostals; which basically both deny the doctrine of the Trinity. I think both of their understandings of who Jesus is, are incorrect. Personally, the doctrine of the Trinity is the only explanation that makes sense. Like you stated above, there are verses in Scripture that seem to point to Jesus as being God and certain verses that suggest He isn’t and to suggest that He is a “lesser” god would also be inaccurate.

When I read scripture, I see that Jesus existed with the Father prior to creation. Scripture also tells me that Jesus is a separate person from the Father and not merely a “role” being played by one divine being. I believe this because I see a relationship that exists between the Father and the Son and a real love that exists between these two persons which Jesus is conveying to his followers. It doesn’t seem logical to me that scripture would use such strong language if Jesus and the Father were merely roles or modes being played/acted out by the same divine person.

Next, the sacrifice that was made on our behalf needed to be made by someone who was Holy and unblemished, far beyond anything that was merely created for the purpose. Yet, what I find most striking, is that the Father doesn’t merely come in the flesh Himself and takes our place on the cross; He sends His only begotten Son as the sacrificial Lamb. This stands out when you consider the fact that it’s one thing if I choose to lay down my own life for another, but for me as a father, to send my only son to die for another, is a different level of love entirely. We see this in John 3:16 and Jesus also alludes to this in his parable about the wicked tenants of the vineyard.
 
Could Jesus have simply said, “I am God, like my Father and both of US you shall worship.” Yes, but what I find interesting is that Jesus is conveying to them exactly this point, even without using such explicit language. It was important that the Jews realized that Jesus wasn’t just God in the flesh, but he was in fact, God’s Son. Even though Jesus was divine, He was not the Father and Jesus tried multiple times to shed light on this fact. The Jews were fiercely monotheistic and the thought that two separate persons could exist as one divine being, was probably escaping their understanding. Jesus used multiple signs to show them that He was divine and none more so then his ability to forgive men’s sins. Taken by themselves, the miracles could be looked at as simply saying, God gave His Son these powers while on Earth, but Jesus is also using Scripture to show the Jews that He wasn’t simply born 30 plus years ago with these gifts, but that He has also existed since before the time of Abraham. The Jews knew that this did not make sense, given the age of Jesus, but rather than just saying He was “born” a long time ago, Jesus says “Before Abraham was, I am.”

However, simply saying “I am”, doesn’t mean that Jesus is claiming to be the Father, but instead is saying that He as the Son, is also God. In Philippians we see this even more clearly when we read how Jesus emptied himself to assume the condition of a slave. He didn’t give up his divine nature, but instead gave up the glory which was entitled to Him as God. The Father did not forsake His Son, but instead once again glorified Him, with that same glory that was His prior to all creation. This is also made more clearly when the Father gives him the name above all names. Now, on this point I may differ with many others on this interpretation, but I don’t believe the name is referring simply to the name Jesus by itself.

However, it is the Divine name which the Father bestows on His son. In Joel 2:32 it says as much “…that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord (Yahweh) shall be saved;” The name of the Lord is no longer Yahweh, but Jesus. We also use the title of Lord to express the same meaning, but now we read in Rom:10:13, “everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.” Yet in Acts 4:12 we read “For of all the names in the world given to men, this is the only one by which we can be saved.” The name is now Jesus, because God as the Father has given Him that divine name, which will save us from our sins.
 
Jesus was one of the many representations of the almighty God.
In human nature better understandable by Us.
 
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Also padre pio guy.

Christ was very humble in regards to expressing his divinity but he didn’t deny it.

I’m paraphrasing but around time of capture he said something like “before the time of Moses I AM.”

And “You will see the son of man coming on the clouds of heaven.”
 
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Nope not necessarily.

But saying Jesus was never God or a time he never existed is.
 
Santa: Deck the Halls

Saint Nicholas: Deck the Heretics

Jokes 🙂

(Edit: Not my joke I dont take credit!)
 
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Thing is trying not to become a heretic here… God in the trinity is a deep mystery. So is Christ’s dual nature as human and divine. Some argue that the trinity changed in salvation history… but since Christ is God and a transcendental being he has always existed.
 
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