Jesus is Messiah: Yes or No?

[Homerun40968]

I fully believe Jesus was the Messiah and is fully and substantially present, even today, in the Eucharist. But a post on a Jewish forum states this to challenge Jesus’ divinity:

HERE ARE PROPHECISE THAT TEH MESSIAH NEEDS TO FULFIL

He must be a direct male descendant of King David and King Solomon, his son - “And when your days (David) are fulfilled, and you shall sleep with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who shall issue from your bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build a house for my name, and I will make firm the throne of his kingdom forever…” (2 Samuel 7:12 - 13)

The genealogy of the New Testament is inconsistent. While it gives two accounts of the genealogy of Joseph, it states clearly that he is not the biological father of Jesus. One of the genealogies is through Nathan and not Solomon altogether!

He must gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel -“And he shall set up a banner for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.” (Isaiah 11:12)

Are all Jews living in Israel? Have all Jews EVER lived in Israel since the time of Jesus?

He must rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem - “…and I will set my sanctuary in their midst forever and my tabernacle shall be with them…” (Ezekiel 37:26 - 27)

At last check, there is NO Temple in Jerusalem. And worse, it was shortly after Jesus died that the Temple was DESTROYED! Just the opposite of this prophecy!

He will rule at a time of world-wide peace - “…they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore.” (Micah 4:3)

Have you seen a newspaper lately? Are we living in a state of complete world peace? Has there ever been peace since the time of Jesus?

He will rule at a time when the Jewish people will observe G-d’s commandments - “My servant David shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. They shall follow My ordinances and be careful to observe My statutes.” (Ezekiel 37:24)

The Torah is the Jewish guide to life, and its commandments are the ones referred to here. Do all Jews observe all the commandments? Christianity, in fact, often discourages observance of the commandments in Torah, in complete opposition to this prophecy.

He will rule at a time when all people will come to acknowledge and serve one G-d - “And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, says the L-rd” (Isaiah 66:23)

there are still millions if not billions of people in the world today who adhere to paganistic and polytheistic religions. It is clear that we have not yet seen this period of human history unfold.

All of these criteria are best stated in the book of Ezekiel Chapter 37 verses 24-28:

And David my servant shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. they shall also follow My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. And they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Yaakov my servant, in which your fathers have dwelt and they shall dwell there, they and their children, and their children’s children forever; and my servant David shall be their prince forever. Moreover, I will make a covenant of peace with them, it shall be an everlasting covenant with them, which I will give them; and I will multiply them and I will set my sanctuary in the midst of them forevermore. And my tabernacle shall be with them: and I will be their G-d and they will be my people. Then the nations shall know that I am the L-rd who sanctifies Israel, when My sanctuary will be in the midst of them forevermore.

If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be “The Messiah.” A careful analysis of these criteria shows us that to date, no one has fulfilled every condition.

Certainly NOT Jesus.

 

[teachccd]

Jesus is either the Messiah or the world’s best deceiver. Isaiah, the greatest messianic prophet, prophesied in detail the passion of the Lord. Jesus fulfilled the Law but not in the way that many Jews expected. His kingdom is not of this world as many would have hoped. Yes, Jesus is the Messiah as heralded by the last great Old Testament prophet, John the Baptist. Jesus made too many claims for His divinity and fulfillment of who He is in Scripture (See Luke 24, Road to Emmaus).

YES!! Jesus is the Messiah!!

 

[ryanoneil]

I wonder if any living person has claimed and proved they were a descendent of King David.

 

[teachccd]

I fully believe Jesus was the Messiah and is fully and substantially present, even today, in the Eucharist.

And you’re Protestant? Substantial Presence is usually held only by Catholics and Orthodox…Correct me if I am wrong…teachccd

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

I fully believe Jesus was the Messiah and is fully and substantially present, even today, in the Eucharist. But a post on a Jewish forum states this to challenge Jesus’ divinity:

Mary was a descendant of David, through Nathan.

(b) Tradition tells us that Mary too was a descendant of David. According to Numbers 36:6-12, an only daughter had to marry within her own family so as to secure the right of inheritance. After St. Justin (Adv. Tryph. 100) and St. Ignatius (Letter to the Ephesians 18), the Fathers generally agree in maintaining Mary’s Davidic descent, whether they knew this from an oral tradition or inferred it from Scripture, e.g. Romans 1:3; 2 Timothy 2:8. St. John Damascene (De fid. Orth., IV, 14) states that Mary’s great-grandfather, Panther, was a brother of Mathat; her grandfather, Barpanther, was Heli’s cousin; and her father, Joachim, was a cousin of Joseph, Heli’s levirate son. Here Mathat has been substituted for Melchi, since the text used by St. John Damascene, Julius Africanus, St. Irenæus, St. Ambrose, and St. Gregory of Nazianzus omitted the two generations separating Heli from Melchi. At any rate, tradition presents the Blessed Virgin as descending from David through Nathan.

The Catholic Church is the new Israel.

As for the temple…Mat 16:18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you.** And behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world**.

Some prophecies are yet to come.

(If I weren’t so tired, I’d do more research to fill in the holes I left. There are some here more suited to address this than I.)

May the peace of the Lord be with you.
Prodigal Son1

 

[Homerun40968]

And you’re Protestant? Substantial Presence is usually held only by Catholics and Orthodox…Correct me if I am wrong…teachccd

Technically, I am Protestant, but I will be converting to Roman Catholicism when RCIC starts in the fall.

 

[teachccd]

Technically, I am Protestant, but I will be converting to Roman Catholicism when RCIC starts in the fall.

Praise be to God! Now it makes sense… God Bless you in your journey home…teachccd