Jesus is my authority

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Ask him what Jesus told Peter about the establishment of a Church.
“You are Rock, and upon this Rock I will build my Church and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.”

From the beginning of the Gospel of St. John,
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through him, and without him nothing came into be. What came to be through him was life, and this life was the light of the human race; the light shines in darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.”

If you use any Scriptural text with him, use the RSV since it is the one most commonly accepted by various denominations.

I generally don’t argue with those who are not of the Catholic Faith. I allow them to discover through general dialogue that what they think the Church teaches is not necessarily so. I do recommend a copy of The Catholic Answer Bible to refute common misconceptions.

Through the Sacraments, the Holy Spirit dwells within each of us. Ask for His guidance in how to respond and what to say.
 
I’m currently a Presbyterian, and this is actually an issue I’m struggling with and one of the things that got me looking into Catholicism.

What does he mean by that? I assume he means that Jesus as found in the Bible is his authority. But, how does he know that his interpretation of Jesus’ teachings are correct, when there are other committed Christians seeking to faithfully follow the teachings of Jesus who interpret the same passage differently?
Recommend Patrick Madrid’s Where is Thatin the Bible?
He shows how easily a six word sentence can be interpreted six different ways.
As a Presbyterian, do you not pray the same creed that we as Catholics pray?
 
Ask him what Jesus told Peter about the establishment of a Church.
“You are Rock, and upon this Rock I will build my Church and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.”

From the beginning of the Gospel of St. John,
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through him, and without him nothing came into be. What came to be through him was life, and this life was the light of the human race; the light shines in darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.”

If you use any Scriptural text with him, use the RSV since it is the one most commonly accepted by various denominations.

I generally don’t argue with those who are not of the Catholic Faith. I allow them to discover through general dialogue that what they think the Church teaches is not necessarily so. I do recommend a copy of The Catholic Answer Bible to refute common misconceptions.

Through the Sacraments, the Holy Spirit dwells within each of us. Ask for His guidance in how to respond and what to say.
Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

What they keep going back to is “the Church” is the people (the Christians) not an organized religion with a Pope. They think Jesus meant the “Church” could simply be 2 or 3 people. (“For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them. - Matthew Matthew 18:20”)

They keep interpreting most of scripture as telling them that it’s OK that you are your own authority when it comes to interpreting sacred scripture.

Thanks for the recommendation for the Bible. I will look into it. (at the very least I’m providing a donation to Catholic Answers for all the great support and great responses)
 
Even for Catholics, Jesus is the ultimate authority. However, Catholics recognize that Jesus delegated some of his authority to men, to Peter and His other apostles, who in turn delegated some of Jesus’ authority on those men whom they ordained by the laying on of their hands as church elders/presbyters/priests (presbuteroi), also known as bishops/overseers (episkopois). Bishops were ordained in every local Church either by apostles or by other bishops previously-ordained in a line of succession from the apostles (Acts 14:23; Titus 1:5), a practice (the ordination of bishops) that continued throughout Church history down to the present day in the Catholic Church and Orthodox Churches.

In Acts 15, Peter, other apostles and bishops (“elders”) who were ordained in a line of succession from the apostles, exercised their God-given authority when they met together in council in Jerusalem to settle the dispute about whether or not Gentile Christians must adopt certain Jewish practices, such as circumcision. Their decision against requiring the adoption of such practices was regarded not only as their own human decision but as also the decision of the Holy Spirit and all Christians were expected to abide by it. This was the first of many such authoritative church councils of ordained bishops throughout the Church’s history.

It was these ordained “bishops” or “elders” the New Testament writers spoke of, saying:
Paul and Timothy, servants of Christ Jesus, To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons. (Philippians 1:1)

So I exhort the elders among you, as a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ as well as a partaker in the glory that is to be revealed. Tend the flock of God that is your charge, not by constraint but willingly, not for shameful gain but eagerly, not as domineering over those in your charge but being examples to the flock. And when the chief Shepherd is manifested you will obtain the unfading crown of glory. (1 Peter 5:1-4)

Now a bishop must be … an apt teacher… He must manage his own household well, keeping his children submissive and respectful in every way; for if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how can he care for God’s church? (1 Timothy 3:2,4-5)

For a bishop, as God’s steward, must … hold firm to the sure word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine … (Titus 1:7-8)

It was concerning these ordained bishops (“leaders”) that the author of Hebrews wrote of, saying:
Obey your leaders and submit to them; for they are keeping watch over your souls, as men who will have to give account. Let them do this joyfully, and not sadly, for that would be of no advantage to you. (Hebrews 13:17)
It was to these ordained bishops (“elders”) at Miletus that St Paul said:
Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you bishops (episkopous), to feed the church of the Lord which he obtained with his own blood. (Acts 20:28)
It was concerning these ordained bishops (“pastors and teachers”) that St Paul said:
And [Christ’s] gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, for the equipment of the saints, for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ; so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the cunning of men, by their craftiness in deceitful wiles. (Ephesians 4:11-14)
It was concerning these ordained bishops and their God-given “authority,” that Jude wrote of, saying, “Yet in like manner these [ungodly] men in their dreamings … reject authority… Woe to them! For they …perish in Korah’s rebellion.” (Jude 1:8,11) Remember, in the Old Testament, Korah and other Levites rebelled and tried to usurp the God-given authority of Moses and Aaron. (See Numbers 16)

New Testament authors warned against those who, relying on their own private interpretation of Scripture, “twist [Scripture] to their own destruction” (2 Peter 3:16) and against those who " will not endure sound teaching [such as taught by ordained bishops, like Timothy], but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings… (2 Timothy 4:3-4)

Even St Paul eventually submitted the gospel that he was preaching among the Gentiles to the peer review of those who were apostles before him, namely, “James, Cephas and John,” “lest somehow I should be running or had run in vain.” (Galatians 2:2,9)
This is very helpful. Definitely provides strong footing.
 
Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

What they keep going back to is “the Church” is the people (the Christians) not an organized religion with a Pope. They think Jesus meant the “Church” could simply be 2 or 3 people. (“For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them. - Matthew Matthew 18:20”)

They keep interpreting most of scripture as telling them that it’s OK that you are your own authority when it comes to interpreting sacred scripture.

Thanks for the recommendation for the Bible. I will look into it. (at the very least I’m providing a donation to Catholic Answers for all the great support and great responses)
The reason the Priest says, “The Body of Christ” instead of “This is the Body of Christ” when you receive the Eucharist is because we are the Church. The Church is not a building.It is the People of God. Christ is the Head. We are still nourished by the Christ in the Eucharist. The Eucharist is another area that some non-Catholics have an issue. See John 6:53. “Amen. Amen. I say to you, unless you eat of the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.” I have seen the flyer accusing the Catholic Church of offering “sacrifices week after week.” What they do not understand is that God is outside time. The Mass is outside time. During Mass, we return to Calvary. We are following the Commandment that Christ gave at the Last Supper. It is not a new Sacrifice. Eucharist means Thanksgiving. As Catholics, “We were saved when Christ died on the Cross, and we continue to be saved each and every time the Mass is celebrated anywhere in the world until the end of time.”
It is true that “Where two or more are gathered in my name, there I am with them.” That in itself does not make the Church. The Church is the whole Body of Christ. As the priest consecrates the host during the Mass, he steps back so that the Communion of Saints can join him.
St. Paul deals with this extensively in Corinthians. If one part of the Body is hurting, the whole Body is hurting. The idea of two or more being gathered “in my name” emphasizes the power of prayer. I wouldn’t mention it at this junction, but when we as Catholics pray, we are never alone. That is one of the passages we use to demonstrate the power of intercessory prayer, including that of the Saints who pray with us even in the solitude of our prayer closet.
St. Paul also points to the hierarchy of the Church. I have used that before.
Throughout the New Testament Peter is listed first for a reason. Even at the Resurrection, the Apostle who outpaced him waits to allow Peter to enter the tomb first. It is the first show of deference after the crucifixion.

I had a non-Catholic friend describe the Communion of Saints as cheering us as “we run the good race.” He saw us on a race track and the Communion of Saints cheering us on. I read about a Native American who became Catholic because of the Communion of Saints. It fit in with the idea of the 14 generations, of looking back to the wisdom of the past seven generations and providing for the next seven generations.
 
Ask: where in scripture did Jesus give the individual all authority
where in scripture did Jesus command the bible to be written
where in scripture does it say that the Bible is the pillar and foundation of truth
Code:
    If Jesus is his authority does he believe Jesus was telling the truth when He said that we must eat His Body and drink His Blood?  If so how is he complying with what Jesus said?
In another forum many moons ago I asked a non-catholic what happens when two people disagree with one verse in scripture. He replied that they would then search the scriptures to find who was correct. I then ask again when happens if they still disagree. He said they would then continue to search the scriptures. I asked a third time what happens after that and they still disagree. He said then at that point, they would have to agree to disagree. Is this what Jesus left us with? Did Jesus leave us with a bible or a Church?
 
Ask: where in scripture did Jesus give the individual all authority
where in scripture did Jesus command the bible to be written
where in scripture does it say that the Bible is the pillar and foundation of truth
Code:
    If Jesus is his authority does he believe Jesus was telling the truth when He said that we must eat His Body and drink His Blood?  If so how is he complying with what Jesus said?
In another forum many moons ago I asked a non-catholic what happens when two people disagree with one verse in scripture. He replied that they would then search the scriptures to find who was correct. I then ask again when happens if they still disagree. He said they would then continue to search the scriptures. I asked a third time what happens after that and they still disagree. He said then at that point, they would have to agree to disagree. Is this what Jesus left us with? Did Jesus leave us with a bible or a Church?
Act Chapter 2:42 They devoted themselves to the teaching of the apostles and to the communal life, to the breaking of the bread and to the prayers.
 
So I’m debating a Protestant who’s very anti-Catholic and anti-Pope, and I tossed out the "Who’s your Authority?" question everyone keeps telling us to pose to Protestants.

Their answer was "Jesus is my authority"…how do I counter that???
Do they
By definition, Protestants can’t say yes to that. So, is Jesus REALLY their authority? Maybe a Jesus of their own making.

Jesus qualified those who “say” or “claim” to love Him.

He said

John 14:15

The points mentioned above are commands NOT suggestions
 
Thank you! This is all great stuff! My end game is to actually invite this Protestant (my cousin) to a Catholic mass. I play in the choir so I have a good chance to make this happen, but they are putting up these road blocks.
If your parish has a good Catholic Bible Study, try inviting your cousin to that
 
Do they
By definition, Protestants can’t say yes to that. So, is Jesus REALLY their authority? Maybe a Jesus of their own making.

Jesus qualified those who “say” or “claim” to love Him.

He said

John 14:15

The points mentioned above are commands NOT suggestions
This is perfect. A great compilation. Thank you!
 
If your parish has a good Catholic Bible Study, try inviting your cousin to that
This would probably solve the whole issue. It’s amazing how some type of fellowship like this would highlight the many, many things we have in common with our Protestant brothers and sisters. Instead, many find it easier to dwell on 500 year old issues.
 
My reply: Great! I do too! I also listen to people He left in charge on Earth until He returned. Remember, the people He gave the keys to the kingdom of Heaven to, and whom He gave authority to bind and loose. Why don’t you follow them?
 
So I’m debating a Protestant who’s very anti-Catholic and anti-Pope, and I tossed out the “Who’s your Authority?” question everyone keeps telling us to pose to Protestants.

Their answer was “Jesus is my authority”…how do I counter that???
Claim that He’s the very same authority for the Roman Catholic Church as well.

Per rule of marginal analysis, if you both claim it, then it can’t be used as a basis for distinction. What would his next answer be? The Bible? You claim that too.

What you have that he doesn’t is the apostolic succession and continuity with the traditions of the ancient Church itself, over which the gates of hell cannot prevail; making restorationism existentially impossible (which he likely claims as necessary).
 
So I’m debating a Protestant who’s very anti-Catholic and anti-Pope, and I tossed out the “Who’s your Authority?” question everyone keeps telling us to pose to Protestants.

Their answer was “Jesus is my authority”…how do I counter that???
Jesus is my authority, that is why I am with the Church that Jesus Christ founded.
 
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