Jesus is not muslim

[memnoch_lover]

Jesus is not muslim.

reason:

A muslim is a believer of Allah and muhammad as Allah’s prophet.

Whereas Jesus is a believer In Adonai(YHWH) and Jesus does not know muhammad.

Therefore Jesus is not a muslim.

NOt all who believes and Submit to One God is muslim.

A jew believes and submit to one God (YHWH) yet he is not muslim… All jewish prophets belong to this category.

A christian believes and submit to one God , the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit yet they are not muslims

What makes a muslim a muslim? it is thier submission to Allah and recognozion of Muhammad as the prohet.

Jesus to be direct does not know and does not recognize muhammad as prophet therefore jesus is not muslim.

To be Honest jesus is Hebrew In a Jewish religion hence he is Jew…beliver of ADONAI(YHWH)

 

[LSK]

I believe that Jesus is the One True God, the Word Incarnate, the Son of the Holy Trinity.

 

[godsent]

AMEN…jesus is god…i am a catholic!

AMEN AGAIN!

 

[r.gonzales]

memnoch_lover:

Jesus is not muslim.

according to islamic belief he was.

memnoch_lover:

A muslim is a believer of Allah and muhammad as Allah’s prophet.

the second portion of this statement is from the definition of what a muslim is today, not the defition of what a muslim was before muhammad’s time.

memnoch_lover:

Jesus does not know muhammad.

according to islamic belief he did and foretold his coming.

memnoch_lover:

NOt all who believes and Submit to One God is muslim.

yes, by definition they are. submission to Allah entails you believe in all of His prophets and messengers. true muslim does not reject any of their prophethoods.

memnoch_lover:

A jew believes and submit to one God (YHWH) yet he is not muslim… All jewish prophets belong to this category.

all jewish prophets believed in all the other prophets Allah was to send to the various nations of mankind - those they knew of and those they didn’t. so all prophets and messengers sent by Allah, regardless of race or nationality, were muslim.

as for the jews, they are not muslim because they rejected and killed some of their prophets.

memnoch_lover:

A christian believes and submit to one God , the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit yet they are not muslims

you are not muslims because you associate others with Allah - namely jesus and the holy spirit.

 

[Booklover]

r.gonzales:

according to islamic belief he did and foretold his coming

Yes, when he told us to beware of false prophets!

 

[jcaz]

I think memnoch_lover that you perhaps have a problem with the word Muslim.

Please do understand that it is an arabic word that has always been used to describe one who is submitting to someone else, such as a slave who submits to his master.

No one will deny that Jesus, peace be upon him, submitted his will to the will of his Lord. No one denies that Jesus was a submittter.

Now, if you agree thus far, and surely all Catholics do, now simply take those last two sentences and translate them into arabic. No one will deny that Jesus “as-la-ma” (submitted) to his Lord. And no one dies that Jesus was a “musliman” (submitter).

So as I explained on a previous thread, was Jesus, peace be upon him, a Muslim in the sense of following the religion of Islaam, as it is known today, meaning did he pray 5 times a day, fast the month of Ramadaan, and make pilgrimage to Makkah? No. He did not. By saying Jesus, peace be upon him, was a Muslim, we are not saying he did those things. Rather, we are saying that he was a submitter who submitted his will to the will of his Lord. And any arab Christian, although they will dislike to call Jesus a Muslim, because they may feel it implies following the religion of Islam, any arab speaking Christian will have to admit that ALL of the prophets “as-la-muu” (submitted) to the will of their Lord, and as such, ALL of the prophets were “muslimoon” (submitters).

NOt all who believes and Submit to One God is muslim

Linguistically, anyone who completely submits his will to the will of his Creator is a Muslim (submitter).

A christian believes and submit to one God , the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit yet they are not muslims

You are correct. Most Christians would not be Muslims, linguistically, because most of them do not submit their will entirely and completely to God. Rather, most of them submit their will to Paul, the Pope, and other than them.

What makes a muslim a muslim? it is thier submission to Allah and recognozion of Muhammad as the prohet.

If you are referring to what makes a person a Muslim in the sense of following the religion of God, the religion of Islaam, then Yes, it is their submission to Allaah and their belief that Muhammad, peace be upon him, is the messenger of Allaah. But if you mean Muslim in a linguistic sense, a person is a muslim, is one who submits, when he chooses to submit his will to the will of his Creator.

 

[MommaKat]

r.gonzales:

according to islamic belief he was.

the second portion of this statement is from the definition of what a muslim is today, not the defition of what a muslim was before muhammad’s time.

according to islamic belief he did and foretold his coming.

yes, by definition they are. submission to Allah entails you believe in all of His prophets and messengers. true muslim does not reject any of their prophethoods.

all jewish prophets believed in all the other prophets Allah was to send to the various nations of mankind - those they knew of and those they didn’t. so all prophets and messengers sent by Allah, regardless of race or nationality, were muslim.

as for the jews, they are not muslim because they rejected and killed some of their prophets.

you are not muslims because you associate others with Allah - namely jesus and the holy spirit.

Islam is a heresy of Christianity. Mohammed lifted all of his information from the Jewish people and Christian people of the Middle East in his life time. He got jealous and angry because the Jewish and Christian people would not believe that he was a prophet. Then he went about killing any Jews or Christians who crossed him. Islam has always been spread by the sword. Allah was the moon god of the Arabians. Mohammed needed to maintain that god for the Arab chieftans to believe that he was a prophet. That is why Ramadam follows the moon and Mecca is a moon stone that Islam worships.
Jewish prophet are Christian prophets. Christian are Jews just Messianic Jews and not pre-Messianic Jews. We follow their precepts not their Mosaic Laws because these we’re fullfilled in the New and Everlasting Covenant made with the people of God.
Muslim are our brothers and sisters because God is our Father and creator. God created us all to know, love and serve him.

I have a question for you, why does Islam teach that Jesus is born for a virgin and is born from the spirit? I think you should ponder that and take it to your prayers.

 

[jcaz]

Perhaps you should ponder that Adam was born completely of the spirit with neither human father nor human mother.

You should ponder that, and perhaps start praying to Adam, because he is surely “more worthy” of your prayers then a half-spirit.

 

[JoeS]

Muslim friends, Does the Muslim faith teach that Jesus was a prophet?

 

[JoeS]

JoeS:

Muslim friends, Does the Muslim faith teach that Jesus was a prophet?

If the answer is yes, and we know Jesus came hundreds of years before Mohammed God rest his soul, why do you not believe the prophet?

 

[StMarkEofE]

godsent:

AMEN…jesus is god…i am a catholic!

AMEN AGAIN!

Can you imagine God the Father sending his only begotten Son to earth to redeem mankind, suffering the scourges of the Romans and the crucifixtion and rising from the dead as He said He would do suddenly say to Himself: Well I guess my Son didnt do a good enough job in convincing the world that salvation was through the Living Christ so I guess I have to send another message via an archangel to a desert dweller? Yeah, I can see this happening.

StMarkEofE

 

[r.gonzales]

talk about ignorance…

MommaKat:

Islam is a heresy of Christianity. Mohammed lifted all of his information from the Jewish people and Christian people of the Middle East in his life time. He got jealous and angry because the Jewish and Christian people would not believe that he was a prophet. Then he went about killing any Jews or Christians who crossed him. Islam has always been spread by the sword.

baseless accusations and lies concocted by those who wage war against Allah, the one true God, and the message He sent His prophets with.

MommaKat:

Allah was the moon god of the Arabians. Mohammed needed to maintain that god for the Arab chieftans to believe that he was a prophet. That is why Ramadam follows the moon and Mecca is a moon stone that Islam worships.

talk about being duped by protestant missionary propaganda and lies.

one verse from Allah’s book is enough refute this nonsense, “and from His signs are the night and the day, the sun and the moon. do not prostrate to the sun, nor to the moon and prostate to Allah who created them if you worship Him alone.” (41:37).

MommaKat:

I have a question for you, why does Islam teach that Jesus is born for a virgin and is born from the spirit? I think you should ponder that and take it to your prayers.

islam teaches that jesus was born of a virgin. not from the union of a virgin and a spirit. i think you should read up on islamic scriptures and get some of your doubts and misconceptions clarified.

 

[Booklover]

jcaz:

You are correct. Most Christians would not be Muslims, linguistically, because most of them do not submit their will entirely and completely to God. Rather, most of them submit their will to Paul, the Pope, and other than them.

If by submitting completely to God means that we have to be mindless puppets with no free will, no, we don’t submit that way. God gave us complete free will. We can either obey his laws or reject them. He never forces anything on us. Islam is your puppeteer and you’re its puppets. Everything is regulated in your life and you think that you have free will! You can’t even tell, you’ve been programmed so well!

 

[MommaKat]

First of all my information doesn’t come from Prostestants it comes from former Muslim who have converted. They are in hiding so that they are not killed for leaving Islam.
Second of all why is it that Islam says to kill those who leave Islam? Or that it is permitted to kill those who don’t believe as Islam believes? Or why anyone who will not convert is to be regarded as second class citizens?
What is propaganda? No freedom of speech? Not allowed to think for yourself? Having Islamic leaders telling you what to think?
R. gonzales think about these things. Again Muslim are my brothers and sisters we are creature of the same God.

jcaz
Adam was a creature of God who thought that he could be equal to God. Jesus is God. Why would I worship a creature? Jesus is still with us. He lives in our Churches in our tabernacles. The Spirit directs the Church. Mary is a perfect creature and I don’t worship her. I ask her intercession and for her to pray for me.

 

[Booklover]

r.gonzales:

talk about ignorance…

baseless accusations and lies concocted by those who wage war against Allah, the one true God, and the message He sent His prophets with.

Spoken like a true Muslim! What next “Death to the infidels.” After all Jcaz has already admitted that Islam should be spread by war if necessary! I already knew that.

 

[r.gonzales]

MommaKat:

First of all my information doesn’t come from Prostestants it comes from former Muslim who have converted.

regardless of where you yourself get your information from, the false claims of Allah being the moon god stem from missionary christian lies and have been refuted by many.

one such example from a non-muslim source:

Attempts to identify Hubal with Allah have been notably popular among evangelical Christians, but even they acknowledge that this hypothesis is speculative[1], and it is contradicted by the Islamic-period texts from which most knowledge of pre-Islamic Arab religion derives.

source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubal

MommaKat:

Second of all why is it that Islam says to kill those who leave Islam?

because that is the ruling for someone who apostates from islam, as stipulated by Allah’s revelation. this punishment is to be carried out by the muslim ruler or government courts, not by any joe schmoe.

MommaKat:

Or that it is permitted to kill those who don’t believe as Islam believes?

islam doesn’t permit the wanton killing of anyone including non-muslims. Allah says, “there is no compulsion in religion, the right has been made clear from the wrong, so whoever disbelieves in the false godsand believes in Allah, he has grasped the trustworthy handhold that has no breaking. and Allah is the Hearer, the Knower.” this verse specifically applies to non-muslims being forced to accept islam (and not include muslims who wish to apostate as some mistakenly understand it). murder is forbidden in islam and the killing of a person can only be carried out with justification… and simply not being a muslim is not justification.

MommaKat:

Or why anyone who will not convert is to be regarded as second class citizens?

i assume you’re referring to the jizyah that non-muslims who reside in the muslim lands must pay. all i have to say regarding this is that having to pay taxes does not make you a second class citizen.

MommaKat:

What is propaganda? No freedom of speech? Not allowed to think for yourself? Having Islamic leaders telling you what to think?

what makes you think that i don’t think about these things? and other than propaganda, what do these things have to do with anything mentioned? you were free to say whatever you said, and i’m free to critise you for it. you want to spread falsehoods and lies about islam, expect muslims to reply to them. perhaps you should be the one thinking about some of the things i’ve mentioned and reevaluate the things you’ve learned about my religion - a religion that i chose to accept, converting to it using my own mind and free will.

 

[Booklover]

r.gonzales:

because that is the ruling for someone who apostates from islam, as stipulated by Allah’s revelation. this punishment is to be carried out by the muslim ruler or government courts, not by any joe schmoe.

Allah’s revelation?? That is not Allah’s revelation, that is another of the cruel decrees invented by that megalomaniac with delusions of grandeur that you call a “prophet”.

what makes you think that i don’t think about these things? and other than propaganda, what do these things have to do with anything mentioned? you were free to say whatever you said, and i’m free to critise you for it. you want to spread falsehoods and lies about islam, expect muslims to reply to them. perhaps you should be the one thinking about some of the things i’ve mentioned and reevaluate the things you’ve learned about my religion - a religion that i chose to accept, converting to it using my own mind and free will.

Lies about Islam? How can anyone spread lies about a hoax, and that is exactly what Islam is, a complete and utter lie. It is nothing more than the product of Mohammed’s imagination! He may have started out looking for God, but then greed got the better of him.

Yes, he was friendly to Jews and Christians until they saw through his deception and wouldn’t accept his “prophethood” and then started all the “revelations” about “not making friends of Jews and Christians” and all the rest of his hate filled rhetoric!

Even the so called revelation that said that only Mohammed could have more wives than the Quran decreed was another of his inventions because he wasn’t satisfied with the wives he already had! The lecher wanted more! Oh yes, he was a perfect role model! In his case it was do as I say and not as I do!

 

[Edris]

Here is what Jesus said:

1st Epistle
(John 4:1-3) “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus is the Christ is come in the flesh is of God. And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God”

And this is what the Qur’an says

(Qur’an 3:45) “(Remember) when the angels said: “O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allâh gives you the glad tidings of a Word “Be!” - and he was! i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)] from Him, his name will be the Messiah (Christ) 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honor in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allâh.”

So, either Jesus pbuh wanted to mislead you and gave you a false test, or Muhammad pbuh is a true prophet.

Peace brother

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

Edris:

Here is what Jesus said:

1st Epistle
(John 4:1-3) “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus is the Christ is come in the flesh is of God. And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God”

And this is what the Qur’an says

(Qur’an 3:45) “(Remember) when the angels said: “O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allâh gives you the glad tidings of a Word “Be!” - and he was! i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)] from Him, his name will be the Messiah (Christ) 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honor in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allâh.”

So, either Jesus pbuh wanted to mislead you and gave you a false test, or Muhammad pbuh is a true prophet.

Peace brother

No, there’s what mohammed (or rather his scribes) said about Jesus

P.S. what do you think He means by “is come in the flesh”? It means that He pre-existed. Islam denies this, thus it is a false religion.

That kind of proof-texting does no one any good and can be used to prove any point for almost any position. Our Christ is very different from yours. Ours died on a Cross, yours didn’t. Ours rose on the third day, yours wasn’t (it was assumed into Heaven and replaced by a normal man). Thus, by that test, we are talking about two different people and since you confess your Jesus to be the Christ doesn’t really have much to do with that test at all.

 

[Edris]

Semper Fi:

No, there’s what mohammed (or rather his scribes) said about Jesus

P.S. what do you think He means by “is come in the flesh”? It means that He pre-existed. Islam denies this, thus it is a false religion.

That kind of proof-texting does no one any good and can be used to prove any point for almost any position. Our Christ is very different from yours. Ours died on a Cross, yours didn’t. Ours rose on the third day, yours wasn’t (it was assumed into Heaven and replaced by a normal man). Thus, by that test, we are talking about two different people and since you confess your Jesus to be the Christ doesn’t really have much to do with that test at all.

ok, first of all, the greek word from which “flesh” is translated is “sarx” which also means “human nature” or “human being”. I’ll tell you what he meant by “is come in the flesh”; he meant that whoever says that Jesus is the Christ and is a human being then he’s a true spirit (true prophet), and whoever denies both then he’s not a true prophet. Think about it, Jesus pbuh is giving you a very important test, that your life and afterlife depends on it, why would he give half a statement and leave the rest for you to interpret. Which do you think is more important to tell us “come in flesh” or “that jesus is christ and son of God”? , if Jesus pbuh was the son of God, this verse is the perfect place to mention it, but he didn’t. Why? Because he wanted to leave you confused, or because he wasn’t the son of God?.

And i don't want someone telling me,  "who gave you the authority to interprit the scriptures",  cause you are also reading between the lines saying "it means that he pre-existed".   And by the way,  even if it means that he pre-existed,  that doesn't tell us anything.   Pre-existing  can range from Angels to Dust.  I don't want to say from God to Dust,  because we don't believe that someone can be God one day and the other day he's a man,  or both at the same time  (he's either God or not).   So it could mean he pre existed as angel then became a human being,  or he pre existed as dust, then God turned him into a man, it could mean anything.    Your interpretation doesn't go anywhere.

Peace