Jesus Loves You very much

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Right. But in the meantime, children are dying every second, often under horrible circumstances. Couldn’t he speed up the process?
 
We know not the time nor the hour. Maybe He’ll be here right after I type this, maybe it’ll be after humanity has spread across the vast galaxy. He’s going as fast as He wills, and there’s a reason for it. Not understanding doesn’t mean it’s invalid.
 
To me it kind of is. Because I’m sure you agree God doesn’t lie or trick us. Yet his failure to help us understand his plan seems like deliberate trickery and deception
 
It’s not that He won’t tell us, it’s that we just couldn’t comprehend the reasons why. It’s like explaining to a toddler why they need to eat using complex biological terms; they just can’t understand. What you’d tell them is, “It’s good for you.” From my perspective, there’s some spiritual benefit to this waiting. I don’t know what it is, or why, I just know “It’s good for me.”
 
And, I know it’s not much consolation, but all those kids who suffer because of the brokenness of others and this world will surely be loved by their heavenly Father when they see Him.
 
Curious11 said:
Yes, but why does God allow it? Why create this chaos of violence and jealousy, betrayal, selfishness and inequality in all aspects of life?
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If you are really interested and not simply here to try baiting us then buy the books called Why Does God Permit Evil by Dom Bruno Web, Making Sense Out Of Suffering by Peter Kreeft, and Arise From Darkness by Father Benedict Groeschel.
 
Materialist believes only what can be validated by scientific observation or evidence. Nothing “spiritual” or supernatural.
 
Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
And, I know it’s not much consolation, but all those kids who suffer because of the brokenness of others and this world will surely be loved by their heavenly Father when they see Him.
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It is consolation, though. I think those suffering little ones will have super-abundant consolations and joy in Heaven with their Heavenly Father. None of them are forgotten by God–He knows them each by name, and it’s very comforting.
 
I was referring to consolation for Curious11. Of course, the joy provided in heaven will be more than consoling for any suffering.
 
It’s pure arrogance to assume that God cannot possibly bring good out of something terrible like Auschwitch. You weren’t there, and you don’t know what type of comfort the Holy Spirit brought to the people who were suffering there. You don’t know if they turned to God before they died and were thus saved. You don’t know every minute detail of every possible ramification or result from what happened.

No one would choose to allow these sufferings. God’s heart breaks just as much as ours do. But He is giving us what humanity chose, to know good and evil. And we have faith that He is working all things together for our good.

It sounds like nonsense if you don’t have faith, I admit. But out of horrendous evil comes unbelievable love, unexplainable forgiveness. Only God working in us can bring good out of darkness. We trust that He knows better than we do.

Have you ever read Corrie ten Boom’s book The Hiding Place about her experiences from being in a concentration camp? Her example of pure forgiveness and love for her captors has few comparisons on this earth.

Have you read about Elizabeth Elliot in Through Gates of Splendor, who went back into the jungle of Ecuador with her toddler daughter to preach the Gospel to the native tribe that had murdered her husband?

We can’t explain why there has to be evil through philosophy. The answer is a Person, Jesus Christ. We only know that He is good and that’s enough.
 
Curious11 said:
Are you telling me God can’t fix this World right now? And don’t say he’s lost hope because you claim he sent his son to die for us.
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It’s not in God’s plan to “fix this World right now”.
God has promised that he will eventually create a new Heaven and a new Earth where things will be perfect and eternal.
We’re not at that point where he does that yet.
We need to go through what we’re going through now to get to that point.

It’s a bit of a mystery because we don’t totally understand God’s plan, and this is where people fall off the God bandwagon, because they don’t see why we have to wait (people want instant gratification) and they don’t see why people have to suffer in the meantime.

I watched a video last night from Bishop Barron where he talked about “redemptive suffering” where one joins their sufferings to Christ and he said that this is a bit of a mystery because there is clearly a big benefit to doing this, but we don’t fully understand how that all works. And this is a learned Bishop talking.

The bottom line is that while God COULD remove all suffering from the world tomorrow, he’s not GOING to do that (unless he chooses to end the world tomorrow and move on to the creation of the perfect world etc.) because there is some value that we don’t fully comprehend in going through suffering and joining our suffering to God for the good of the world. Our suffering makes some sort of atonement for evil or sin, but we don’t fully understand how it all works.
 
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It’s pure arrogance to assume that God cannot possibly bring good out of something terrible like Auschwitch.
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God has already brought some good out of that horrible situation. We have two great saints who died there. They are known the world over.

But God didn’t create that whole horrible situation. Wars are punishment for man’s sins. Mankind didn’t love his neighbor, was greedy and corrupt. As a result, huge suffering ensued, including a lot of innocent people who suffered along with the guilty. In any kind of horrible situation like that, a few individual will rise above the herd and deal with the situation in a truly good and heroic way as the saints did.

Although Fatima is private revelation and Catholics are not required to believe in it, many of us do (and Popes make pilgrimages there and made the visionary children saints and so forth). At Fatima, Our Lady predicted WWII would occur as a punishment if man didn’t stop sinning. And that’s pretty much what happened.

You seem to want to blame all the evil in the world upon God rather than taking responsibility as a human being for creating evil, rather than looking at what man is doing or not doing to create or prevent evil. You also seem to come at this from a standpoint of God somehow “owes us a living”. God doesn’t owe us anything. We owe everything to God for even allowing us to exist given what a lousy job we do of behaving.

God’s love also doesn’t mean that we’ll always be happy in thie world or that things will always be perfect in this world. The good thing about God’s love is that when we are going through trials we can count on His love. It doesn’t mean our earthly trials go away but it’s a source of help, comfort and connection with the place where our troubles really WILL go away, which is after death if we’re good.
 
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