Jesus of Catholics vs Protestants?

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I’m still a Protestant and at the church I attend with my wife [non-denom] it seems to be very emotional. Music is very important to them. It is usually always good and sometimes it moves me but sometimes it doesn’t. When I first began attending it was great. I would get “goosebumps” sometimes the music was so good. I would raise my hands and try and sing out while reading the lyrics of the bigscreens. Sometimes my emotions would run rapid and I would think it’s the Holy Spirit. People come up to microphone toward the end of the music and say things to encourage the crowd, things they felt God was speaking to them. Sometimes you would hear someone speaking in a strange language [tongunes?] often repeating the same phrase over and over. Sometimes the crowd would all pray out at once and the volumne would be very high. Everyone praying and praising in their own way. You would not be able to understand anyone if listening, but you should be praying out loud yourself at this point. After the worship music the pastor or special guest pastor would speak for about 45 minutes. Teaching and encouraging the crowd while using scripture as the basis. If it was scheduled [once a month] then communion was taking after the sermon. It will always be stated that we do this in remembrance and not too often because we don’t want it to become routine. The collection would then be taken and the service will end with one last song and a closing prayer. We are highly encouraged to be a part of small worship groups that the church organizes during the week.

Well slowly the “goosebumps” and emotion from the music stopped, allthough I did still enjoy the worship music. I was still excited for the Lord but in a different way. I didn’t raise my hands or sing as much as I did at first. I tried to pray for that original excitement to return but instead I found myself in more deep meditation type prayer. Hungry for the reasons why I believed what I did and why I was being taught what I was. I began to question that it was possibly the music the had me feeling certain ways and not the Spirit. I found myself questioning the “tongunes” I heard people speaking because it started to confuse me.When people would all pray out at once I would feel distracted. I found myself praying for “God to be inside me” when I took communion. The zeal I had 2 yrs earlier was slowly going away and directing somewhere else.

I’ve heard many times that the Catholic Mass is just routine and going through the motions. The worship at Mass was lacking. Well, I began to feel that my church was routine in ways. Music,people speaking out to the crowd,45 min sermon,collection,music and go home. Same every Sunday. Depending on what songs were played was how I felt initially. For some reason I felt unfed and in need of more.

I think they [evangelicals] feel that Catholic traditions get in the way of your “relationship” or focus on God. It can take away from it. The “religion” gets in the way of worship. Too many unesassary rules, rules of men that God doesn’t want. God only wants your heart not all the ritualistic traditions. Your personal relationship is how you connect with, rely on, talk to and praise Jesus everyday. They see the general Catholic as going to mass as a routine [like a work] where a “relationship” is hard to acheive.

These are just my opinions and by no means do I disrespect any Protestant. I think we all can have this so called “relationship” with God [Jesus] but the form of this “relationship” depends on the person. We each worship and relate in different ways because we are all different people.

I am slowly finding my “personal relationship” by means of the CC, allthough I do still enjoy the evangelical service I attend. I am now aware of Truth and keep that in mind when I listen to their teaching. Praise God!

Jamie
 
In the future I will certainly look at the dates, however you did reply.So I would ask you what does Jesus say to do with his Mother. I believe she was blessed to be the mother of Jesus
but I also believe she needed a Savior the same as you and I.
The Catholic Church does not teach that Mary did not need a savior, but that because of her unique place in the plan of God the sacrifice of Christ was applied to her in a different and more perfect way. In short… at her conception.

Some articles on this that may help a bit.

Immaculate Conception and Assumption
Mary: Ever Virgin (Fathers*)
Mary: Full of Grace (Fathers*)
The Intercession of the Saints (Fathers*)
Praying to the Saints
Saint Worship?
‘Brethren of the Lord’
 
How do Catholics respond to a Protestants claim that they have a much more “personal” relationship with Jesus than Catholics? Before easily dismissing such a seemingly facile claim, give it a minute of thought and tell me why you think a Protestant would claim something like this, and why?
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I guess I’m just curious as to whether you think a catholic’s relationship with Christ is different than a Protestant’s and why you might think this to be. Thanks in advance.
These folks obviously have never read St. Therese’s “Story of A Soul” because they’d know better after that. The life of St. Francis of Assisi would also clear it up for them. There is a host of others. 🤷
 
The Catholic Church does not teach that Mary did not need a savior, but that because of her unique place in the plan of God the sacrifice of Christ was applied to her in a different and more perfect way. In short… at her conception.

Some articles on this that may help a bit.

Immaculate Conception and Assumption
Mary: Ever Virgin (Fathers*)
Mary: Full of Grace (Fathers*)
The Intercession of the Saints (Fathers*)
Praying to the Saints
Saint Worship?
‘Brethren of the Lord’
Thank you for your reply I am protestant but my sister in law is Catholic and I would like to understand what you believe through the years we haven’t gone into our beliefs I guess so as not to offend each other.I will certainly read your suggestions. Thanks again.
 
Thank you for your reply I am protestant but my sister in law is Catholic and I would like to understand what you believe through the years we haven’t gone into our beliefs I guess so as not to offend each other.I will certainly read your suggestions. Thanks again.
You are quite welcome Ma’am. :tiphat:
 
…Are there any converts from protestantism to catholicism who can tell me whether they feel their relationship or view of Christ changed in any way following their conversion?
Since I converted from Protestantism, both my subjective and objective experiences of my relationship with Christ are vastly more intimate and fulfilling than anything I ever imagined.

I think that the Protestant objections posed in the OP are the result of them comparing our outsides with their insides. When someone talks about how empty all of the ritual is and how they look around and see false piety, what is really happening is that they are empty and they are merely going through the motions, and they’re just projecting that onto their impressions of everyone else.
 
As a Catholic, it’s never about how I “feel” because I believe Christ is truly present in the Eucharist. When I go to mass I enter a holy place. I can “smell” the incense - touch the holy water - look at Christ on the cross… and kneel before Him and receive Him in the Eucharist - which is so very powerful for me. All of those things help me connect with him on a much deeper level than I ever did as a Protestant.
Feel, but not based on feeling?
 
I am a Catholic Convert. I was baptized in the Methodist Church and also attended the Baptist church.

I have never felt so close to God, as when I began going to the Catholic Church. I have learned more about the Bible and Christianity in general, by also reading the Catechism.

Everything I did in the Methodist Church came from the Catholic Church. Additionally, I am in a predominately African American parish, though our Paulist Priest is White; this makes a huge difference. The Paulists are good communicators and the African American culture allows for a gospel choir at the 11 am Mass.

I have never had it so good!
 
I converted to Catholicism and I feel the same way. Everything I knew and learned now has a deeper spiritual meaning.
 
How do Catholics respond to a Protestants claim that they have a much more “personal” relationship with Jesus than Catholics? Before easily dismissing such a seemingly facile claim, give it a minute of thought and tell me why you think a Protestant would claim something like this, and why?

It’s been my observation that Protestant churches are very focused on an emotional, internalized, extremely personal relationship with Jesus. I’ve had limited experience in the Catholic Church so far, but I’m curious if most Catholics would say they feel themselves to have this same relationship to Jesus that Protestants claim, or would you say the Catholic faith stresses different perspectives of the relationship with Christ? I can’t decide if I’m just imagining some sort of dichotomy, or if it’s part of something deeper. The protestant Jesus is a Jesus that forgives all, asking nothing in return except their faith which leads into the basic theological ideas of sola fide, etc… I sometimes wonder if this belief in justification through faith alone somehow facilitates a more personalized and “buddy” view of Christ and his part in their life? I somehow think more evangelical Christians would feel more comfortable calling Jesus their best friend, whereas a Catholic would not. Any thoughts?

I guess I’m just curious as to whether you think a catholic’s relationship with Christ is different than a protestant’s and why you might think this to be. Thanks in advance.
Catholics have the ultimate ‘personal’ in the Eucharist.
But personal does not equal exclusive.
 
Catholics have the ultimate ‘personal’ in the Eucharist.
But personal does not equal exclusive.
I know many non-Catholics that are better Christians than I, that’s for sure.

I knew Jesus personally as a Baptist. I never really “loved” Him like I do as a Catholic, though. Through Lent (this was my very first Lent as a bona-fide Catholic) I would meditate exclusively on the Sorrowful Mysteries when I prayed the Rosary. That meditation, as well as the Lenten fast, helped me fall in love with my Savior in a way I had never known before.
 
I know many non-Catholics that are better Christians than I, that’s for sure.
That’s hardly surprising because wherever we stand we can always imagine that we see “better Christians” (as you descibe them) in some other denomination. However, if our focus is on God then we have no need to compare ourselves with others and claim a superior/inferior position on the ladder.
I knew Jesus personally as a Baptist. I never really “loved” Him like I do as a Catholic, though.
Whilst I celebrate with you that you now “love” Jesus I suggest that a major reason for most people finding a better relationship by changing denomination is how Jesus is presented, not the structure of the denominations concerned.

Steven
 
That’s hardly surprising because wherever we stand we can always imagine that we see “better Christians” (as you descibe them) in some other denomination. However, if our focus is on God then we have no need to compare ourselves with others and claim a superior/inferior position on the ladder.
My focus is on God, and I see nothing wrong with noticing that others have Him in sharper focus than I. I’m not aiming to be just like them, I’m aiming to become more like Him.
Whilst I celebrate with you that you now “love” Jesus I suggest that a major reason for most people finding a better relationship by changing denomination is how Jesus is presented, not the structure of the denominations concerned.
Rest assured, following Christ into His Church required a lot more from me than just ‘changing denomination.’ Besides, the Catholic Church isn’t a denomination. In a way, though, you’re right, because Jesus is Really Present in the Catholic Church - Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity. My former denomination did not acknowledge His Sacramental presence in Holy Communion, nor in Baptism, nor in marriage. We didn’t have 7 Sacraments, we had 2 ordinances that we were told over and over were just symbolic and had no real spiritual benefit.
 
For those of you who feel very close to God through the Church, you should feel very blessed. I am a cradle Catholic who does not feel that I have a good personal relationship with God. I feel the heavy burden of the Church just wating to damn me to hell. I feel like it takes so much out of me to assent to the beliefvs and rules the Church places on me that there is not time or strength left to try and feel close to God. I don’t feel love from the Church. For me, the Church is a scary thing. It’s hard for me to describe but it’s like a weight upon me; unloving and not understanding. I look at protestants and their pure joy and comfort they take with God. I would like to have that also but like I said above, there doesn’t seem to be much left for that.

I do feel great love for God, and I feel that he loves me. I feel that the Church is so overbearing that there is little left for love. Only worry about damnation. The threat/fear of hell often on my mind. I do think the Church consentrates much more on hell than it does on love, or al least that has been my experience. Not at Mass, but definately in the teachings. It must be so comforting for a protestant to truely believe they are going to heaven. If I’m not mistaken, the Church teaches us to never feel so comfortable with our Faith as to assume we are going to heaven. There is always a question. Did we do enough? Did we learn enough? Did we avoid sin enough? Were we sorry enough in Confession? I’ve been told that I am a srupulous individual. I guess the question is, how scrupulous does God expect us to be? I’m not sure we can really know.

At this point, I am studying my Faith, trying to get answers that make sense. Unfortunately, it seems the more I learn, the harder it seems to get to heaven.

I know I sound pretty negative here but I’m really struggling with my Faith. Please pray for me.
 
I was raised a Catholic, became a Protestant Christian and re-converted to the Catholic faith. I’m not sure how to say it for fear of offending, but evangelical Protestant usually felt too “wacky” to me, too loud and too intense. At the time, I always felt of me being forgiven, as if it was just that, I didn’t feel something all that special and I can go on with my life and just try to make amends. I just don’t go shouting at the top of my voice and leaping with joy, it’s just not me. If my parents ever told me off for something but also told me that they have forgiven me, I just say sorry, get up and go and just take responsibility for it. So I guess even as a Protestant, my central belief system had that “faith and works” concept going, one of the reasons why I re-converted.

My relationship with Jesus is much more personal as a Catholic than as an Evangelical Protestant. Easily. I just don’t believe parents who never asks their son to take responsibility for their actions would ever make very good loving parents. Just getting up and making amends, whatever I needed to do, that assured me that Jesus loves me. And in turn I love Him more. Love is not a feeling when there’s nothing backing it up.
 
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