Jesus of Nazareth vs. Jesus of Neverland

[Booklover]

Great article that compares the Jesus of the Gospels versus the Jesus of the Quran! Enjoy!

Here’s a sample:

“Muhammad seems to have realized early on that if Christ is who Christians say he is—the Son of God and the fulfillment of all prophecy—then there is no need for another prophet and another revelation. In one sense, Muhammad’s handing of the Jesus problem is very clever: keep him in the narrative but demote him; and use him to rebut the Christians’ central beliefs. In another sense it was not so clever, because the stage-managed Jesus Muhammad presents is almost totally lacking in substance, and is clearly meant to be nothing more than a prop to the Prophet’s own claims. Christian scholars and Christian critics often talk about the search for the “historical Jesus.” Here’s a time-saving hint: don’t bother looking for him in the Koran.”

Vickie

 

[Publisher]

I don’t believe Muhammed’s view of Jesus came from Muhammed…he understood or misunderstood what he had been taught by “Christians” of his day. I believe he came in contact with a sect of Christianity branded “heretic” by the Catholic/Orthodox church of his day which embraced his views of Christ in one way or another.

Muhammed sought to “explain” why he did not believe what the Christians taught about Jesus by what Muhammed had come to believe about God/Allah.

In a very real way…Islam is to Christianity is to as Christianity is to Judaism and Buddhism is to Hinduism…a progression of ideas that took root and formed another faith tradition.

 

[bnbkaine]

I don’t believe Muhammed’s view of Jesus came from Muhammed…he understood or misunderstood what he had been taught by “Christians” of his day. I believe he came in contact with a sect of Christianity branded “heretic” by the Catholic/Orthodox church of his day which embraced his views of Christ in one way or another.

Muhammed sought to “explain” why he did not believe what the Christians taught about Jesus by what Muhammed had come to believe about God/Allah.

In a very real way…Islam is to Christianity is to as Christianity is to Judaism and Buddhism is to Hinduism…a progression of ideas that took root and formed another faith tradition.

Except that it is wrong. Whereas Christianity is the fulfillment of the Jewish covenant, Islam is the not the next logical step in the Faith of Christ’s Church. I am not going to argue with the ideals of Islam except to say that it is lacking what all other religions, except the Catholic church, are lacking: a full and complete picture, as we can best understand it, of the Triune God helping us to be united with Him as He had created us in the beginning.

 

[Wesley7]

It looks like Muhammad spun a religion with poetic eloquence.

 

[Booklover]

I don’t believe Muhammed’s view of Jesus came from Muhammed…he understood or misunderstood what he had been taught by “Christians” of his day. I believe he came in contact with a sect of Christianity branded “heretic” by the Catholic/Orthodox church of his day which embraced his views of Christ in one way or another.

Muhammed sought to “explain” why he did not believe what the Christians taught about Jesus by what Muhammed had come to believe about God/Allah.

In a very real way…Islam is to Christianity is to as Christianity is to Judaism and Buddhism is to Hinduism…a progression of ideas that took root and formed another faith tradition.

Did you read the article? Islam has no relation to or is any continuation of previous scriptures. Whatever he got from those heretical Christians he used to bolster his own agenda.

Vickie

 

[jakasaki]

Excellent article - thanks for posting it Vickie…

I remember reading a hadith once where one of the companions told mohamad that they should read the Torah & the Bible so they may have knowledge regarding these books of faith and mohamad forbids this action of reading other Holy Books because he said something like… why would you want to do that when allah has given you the koran & islam and it’s perfect…

 

[benidict]

It looks like Muhammad spun a religion with poetic eloquence.

i must say, he was a much better writer, than some who have started their own religions. the quoran is a nice read. peace

 

[Wesley7]

I don’t believe Muhammed’s view of Jesus came from Muhammed…he understood or misunderstood what he had been taught by “Christians” of his day. I believe he came in contact with a sect of Christianity branded “heretic” by the Catholic/Orthodox church of his day which embraced his views of Christ in one way or another.

Muhammed sought to “explain” why he did not believe what the Christians taught about Jesus by what Muhammed had come to believe about God/Allah.

In a very real way…Islam is to Christianity is to as Christianity is to Judaism and Buddhism is to Hinduism…a progression of ideas that took root and formed another faith tradition.

Do we actually know the name of that sect?

 

[Booklover]

Excellent article - thanks for posting it Vickie…

I remember reading a hadith once where one of the companions told mohamad that they should read the Torah & the Bible so they may have knowledge regarding these books of faith and mohamad forbids this action of reading other Holy Books because he said something like… why would you want to do that when allah has given you the koran & islam and it’s perfect…

Yes, I thought it was really good. Those articles from Front Page Mag. are always great.

Thanks, Pam!

Vickie

 

[Publisher]

Do we actually know the name of that sect?

Not off the top of my head…but I’m sure a motivated person could find it.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

The Koran was written in the 7th Century, much later than the Bible. It has all kinds of inaccuracies.

“As a mixture of Arabian paganism, Zoroastrianism, Jewish Mysticism, and Apocryphal Christian writings, the Koran contradicts itself several times. For instance, it says that Moses was at the time of Noah. It says that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was the sister of Aaron. Aaron did have a sister named Mary, or Miriam, but she was not the mother of Jesus. Descriptions are contradictory in how Mohammed was called to be a prophet. It says that Mohammed was called by God, that he was called by the Holy Spirit, that he was called by angels, and that Gabriel called him. In some places Muslims are called to love ‘people of the book’, Christians and Jews, and in other places called to kill them. Mohammad’s teachings contrast between Medina and Mecca.”

from:
hyperhistory.net/apwh/essays/comp/cw05korantorah.htm

The whole article is very enlightening.

 

[Publisher]

The Koran was written in the 7th Century, much later than the Bible. It has all kinds of inaccuracies.

“As a mixture of Arabian paganism, Zoroastrianism, Jewish Mysticism, and Apocryphal Christian writings, the Koran contradicts itself several times. For instance, it says that Moses was at the time of Noah. It says that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was the sister of Aaron. Aaron did have a sister named Mary, or Miriam, but she was not the mother of Jesus. Descriptions are contradictory in how Mohammed was called to be a prophet. It says that Mohammed was called by God, that he was called by the Holy Spirit, that he was called by angels, and that Gabriel called him. In some places Muslims are called to love ‘people of the book’, Christians and Jews, and in other places called to kill them. Mohammad’s teachings contrast between Medina and Mecca.”

from:
hyperhistory.net/apwh/essays/comp/cw05korantorah.htm

The whole article is very enlightening.

The Qu’ran was written much like the NT…it drew from myths of the previous religons and expounded upon them…much like Christianity borrowed many of the Jewish myths and ceremonies and “reinterpreted” them with Christian meanings…many of them unrecognizeable as “Jewish”.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

The Qu’ran was written much like the NT…it drew from myths of the previous religons and expounded upon them…much like Christianity borrowed many of the Jewish myths and ceremonies and “reinterpreted” them with Christian meanings…many of them unrecognizeable as “Jewish”.

huh? Are you a Christian?

 

[VetA]

i must say, he was a much better writer, than some who have started their own religions. the quoran is a nice read. peace

he was illiterate, he dictated the quran to a scribe

 

[Publisher]

huh? Are you a Christian?

I trust so.

 

[jakasaki]

he was illiterate, he dictated the quran to a scribe

I can post authentic islamic hadiths which state that mohamad did write and if one can write, one can read.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

The Qu’ran was written much like the NT…it drew from myths of the previous religons and expounded upon them…much like Christianity borrowed many of the Jewish myths and ceremonies and “reinterpreted” them with Christian meanings…many of them unrecognizeable as “Jewish”.

Please explain yourself. What myths?

 

[Publisher]

Please explain yourself. What myths?

The Adam and Eve myth…Christians developed a whole idea of “original sin” based on the first chapters of Genesis.

Much of Christian belief about atonement, sin, heaven, hell, satan, demons is all based on a “Christian” meaning which the Jews simply do not share. For many Jews Christian interpretation of the OT is so convoluted as to be non-sensical to Jewish thought.

Messiah was to be an earthy king liberating the Jews from Roman rule…Christians built upon the Jewish myth of “messiah” to expand their view of “Christ”.

Just a few.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

The Adam and Eve myth…Christians developed a whole idea of “original sin” based on the first chapters of Genesis.

Much of Christian belief about atonement, sin, heaven, hell, satan, demons is all based on a “Christian” meaning which the Jews simply do not share. For many Jews Christian interpretation of the OT is so convoluted as to be non-sensical to Jewish thought.

Messiah was to be an earthy king liberating the Jews from Roman rule…Christians built upon the Jewish myth of “messiah” to expand their view of “Christ”.

Just a few.

Yes but Jesus taught these “myths”. Do you belief that Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of God, or just a myth?

 

[Publisher]

Yes but Jesus taught these “myths”. Do you belief that Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of God, or just a myth?

What I do or do not believe is irrelevant to Christianity appropriating the myths fo Judaism and “retelling” them with Christian meaning. Islam took the myths of Christianity and Judaism and “re-told” them with a distinct Islamic message.

In my experience here at CAF, such questions as yours are meant to gauge ones spirituality and offer a reason to dismiss the “heretics” opinions…this may or may not be your reason for the question…