Jesus preaches/preached to the spirits in prison

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JB 1Peter 3:18,19 Why, Christ Himself, innocent though he was, had died once for sins, died for the guilty, to lead us to God. In the body he was put to death, in(by) the spirit he was raised to life, and in the spirit , he went to preach(preached) to the spirits in prison.

I am in a conversation with a JW and the NWT reads by, preached. The JW’s teach that Jesus was resurrected when He preached to the spirits in prison. They beleive Jesus was not resurrected bodily. They say that after the resurrection he used different bodies because his disciples didn’t recognize him until they recognized something he said.

As a Catholic I beleive Jesus in the spirit went to the spirits in prison, as taught in the Creed, while his body was in the tomb.

How can I explain this to my friend using scripture. I have read what the CCC has to say but am not happy with their notes.

Thanks for your help
 
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JB 1Peter 3:18,19 Why, Christ Himself, innocent though he was, had died once for sins, died for the guilty, to lead us to God. In the body he was put to death, in(by) the spirit he was raised to life, and in the spirit , he went to preach(preached) to the spirits in prison.

I am in a conversation with a JW and the NWT reads by, preached. The JW’s teach that Jesus was resurrected when He preached to the spirits in prison. They beleive Jesus was not resurrected bodily.
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Resurrection requires a body. There is no such thing as resurrection without a body. A ghost, for example, roaming the earth, is not resurrected. It is dead, bodily.
They say that after the resurrection he used different bodies because his disciples didn’t recognize him until they recognized something he said.
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Resurrection means resurrection of the body. He needed no other body. There is no evidence in Scripture that Christ used any other body. Therefore, they need to prove this idea. It is unheard of.
As a Catholic I beleive Jesus in the spirit went to the spirits in prison, as taught in the Creed, while his body was in the tomb.
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Agreed.

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How can I explain this to my friend using scripture. I have read what the CCC has to say but am not happy with their notes.
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The CCC was not written to debate any nonsensical idea that heretics invent.

How about this:

1 Cor 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Notice that the same thing will happen to those who resist to the end, in the Resurrection. Their bodies will be changed from mortal bodies to immortal bodies. He didn’t become a spirit who then possessed other bodies. His body is now a spiritual body, which is immortal. This is what we all hope will happen to us, at the resurrection.
Thanks for your help
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I hope that helps.
 
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The JW’s teach that Jesus was resurrected when He preached to the spirits in prison. They beleive Jesus was not resurrected bodily.
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The JWs believe that Jesus and the Archangel Michael are one and the same. As angels are spirits, it is consistent for them to believe that Jesus did not resurrect bodily. So you need to focus on the fact that Jesus is God, not an angel, when discussing with them. There are many Bible passages to support Jesus being God.
 
Hi.

I have tried that. They beleive that Jesus is a god. They do not beleive in the Trinity. She says that their governing body reads all the fathers of the church. If that is true they would all be Catholics!! As usual, they pick and chose words that serve their purpose and keep their people in the dark.
 
Tried that. It is just a parable to them and has no significant meaning to them.
 
Yes, Thanks. I was hoping that I could use the CCC to refute their heretical inventions.
 
Waynec said:
Tried that. It is just a parable to them and has no significant meaning to them.
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Not surprising. I hope you dont really expect to find a scripture they will agree with you on that will prove their theology wrong.

Peace!!!
 
What’s more important than potentially twiddling over Semantics - and this body or that - forever with the - face it - NonChristian Jehovah Witnesses - can also be found within 1 Peter 4…

… the reason the Gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

Those accounts in 1 Peter 3 and 1 Peter 4 are very reminiscent of Pur-gatory.

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