Jesus really didn't suffer

[John_Martin]

To be honest I won’t like to be a follower unless I learn something new. I follow, learn and think about what I learn critically to see where my understanding goes.

That makes sense.
I am a follower in a similar way.
This is how I consider being a follower - I consider that the person I am following knows what I do not know and he is someone I want to be with and I want to be like.
If he tells me something new and it makes sense, I am happy I am following.
If he tells me something new and I cannot understand, I still consider him knowing more than me, so I tell him, “Master, I do not understand, please explain it differently or in more detail”. And I continue requesting explanation until it finally makes sense in my understanding.
If he tells me something that seems wrong, I say to him, “Master, that is a difficult thing you are telling me and it does not seem correct. But you are the one who knows what I do not know and I am your follower. Please explain it again differently so that I can understand it as you understand it.” And I keep pressing him until I know it as he knows it.

The point is that I really trust this human Jesus that I am following, and I am not afraid of asking him to keep repeating himself and re-explaining. I do not let go of him as my Teacher, my Master. In the end a student becomes his Master in his knowing.

This forum is not the best place to find out what Jesus really means, though. This forum is like a lunch room at a school, where the students of the master are all trying to show each other how each one knows the Master’s meaning, yet most cannot explain any more than anyone else. So it appears there is no deeper good explanation or understanding. But these students are students who do not yet know. They are not the Master. And he is the one who I need to keep asking for a better explanation so I can understand what he understands.

 

[Bahman]

That makes sense.
I am a follower in a similar way.
This is how I consider being a follower - I consider that the person I am following knows what I do not know and he is someone I want to be with and I want to be like.
If he tells me something new and it makes sense, I am happy I am following.
If he tells me something new and I cannot understand, I still consider him knowing more than me, so I tell him, “Master, I do not understand, please explain it differently or in more detail”. And I continue requesting explanation until it finally makes sense in my understanding.
If he tells me something that seems wrong, I say to him, “Master, that is a difficult thing you are telling me and it does not seem correct. But you are the one who knows what I do not know and I am your follower. Please explain it again differently so that I can understand it as you understand it.” And I keep pressing him until I know it as he knows it.

The point is that I really trust this human Jesus that I am following, and I am not afraid of asking him to keep repeating himself and re-explaining. I do not let go of him as my Teacher, my Master. In the end a student becomes his Master in his knowing.

This forum is not the best place to find out what Jesus really means, though. This forum is like a lunch room at a school, where the students of the master are all trying to show each other how each one knows the Master’s meaning, yet most cannot explain any more than anyone else. So it appears there is no deeper good explanation or understanding. But these students are students who do not yet know. They are not the Master. And he is the one who I need to keep asking for a better explanation so I can understand what he understands.