We believe that the revelations given from God to the peopel of Israel has been tampered with. We believe taht there is still the word of God in these revelations but once the human pen was allwoed to tamper , it can never be said that it is the word of God as he inspired.Do Muslims generally believe this? Do Muslims not find anything of use in the Gospels or NT?
how do you reconcile this with what God says a zillion time in OT and NT that His words cannot be corrupt and that He overthrows the plans of the wicked and that He is Truthful to His Plan and words?We believe that the revelations given from God to the peopel of Israel has been tampered with. We believe taht there is still the word of God in these revelations but once the human pen was allwoed to tamper , it can never be said that it is the word of God as he inspired.
Meedo
But the Qur’an has very little of the teachings of Jesus and the path he takes through the gospels. Many Muslims have never read the New Testament, and those who have, not with the same conviction as the Qur’an. I find it hard to believe that a Muslim can expect that he has a better understanding of the teachings of Jesus than a Christian who’s obsession should be the New Testament. Does the Qur’an say that the old sources have been too tampered with to be of worth?We believe that the revelations given from God to the peopel of Israel has been tampered with. We believe taht there is still the word of God in these revelations but once the human pen was allwoed to tamper , it can never be said that it is the word of God as he inspired.
Meedo
I would like to know more about the teachings of Jesus in the Gospels. What parts of His teachings do Muslims believe have been tampered with? Wait… Does not the Qur’an state that Muslims are to follow the Injeel (Gospel)? How do they do this?Muslims pick and choose from both OT and NT. They believe God’s words were corrupt…so if we are to collect what Muslims will accept from the NT, it’d probably be it’s quarter or even less…
Golden rule for Muslims: what contradicts the Quran is corrupt.
They often forget that God gave this criteria to the Bible long time before Muhammad’s birth and God does not lie.
Jews don’t consider Jesus a prophet and he has no place in our theology.I understand that both Jews and Muslims are to consider Jesus a prophet. Could someone (preferably a Jew or Muslim) explain how Jesus fits in their theological picture for me? As far as I know, the NT is all that we have to tell us of Jesus. Do Muslims and Jews have different versions of the Gospels? If he is a prophet, certainly they have to read his teachings, right?
There is no direct verse on jesus in the Talmud. THere are some lines that are believed to be discussing Jesus, although they refer to him under another name.Does anyone have an answer for this?
So is Jesus mentioned in either Talmud?Jews don’t consider Jesus a prophet and he has no place in our theology.
what name would that be?There is no direct verse on jesus in the Talmud. THere are some lines that are believed to be discussing Jesus, although they refer to him under another name.
I think it was Baalim, but I’m not sure if I am remembering it correctly.what name would that be?
I must research it then.I think it was Baalim, but I’m not sure if I am remembering it correctly.
Dear Ed,We believe that the revelations given from God to the peopel of Israel has been tampered with. We believe taht there is still the word of God in these revelations but once the human pen was allwoed to tamper , it can never be said that it is the word of God as he inspired.
Meedo
Dear Ed,But the Qur’an has very little of the teachings of Jesus and the path he takes through the gospels. Many Muslims have never read the New Testament, and those who have, not with the same conviction as the Qur’an. I find it hard to believe that a Muslim can expect that he has a better understanding of the teachings of Jesus than a Christian who’s obsession should be the New Testament. Does the Qur’an say that the old sources have been too tampered with to be of worth?
Dear Ed,I would like to know more about the teachings of Jesus in the Gospels. What parts of His teachings do Muslims believe have been tampered with? Wait… Does not the Qur’an state that Muslims are to follow the Injeel (Gospel)? How do they do this?
God told the Israelites to dedicate the inhabitants of Canaan to him. “Dedicate” meant to totally wipe them from the face of the Earth. Today we would call this genocide. God ordered Genocide. Centuries later, Jesus told us to turn the other cheek to our enemies. God speaks to different people, in different ways at different times. He gave us Christians “turn your cheek” and “love thy enemy”. He gave Muslims and the Jews of ancient Israel “eye for an eye”. God has different plans for different peoples. Much transpired between the death of Jesus and the revelations to Muhammad. In this time Jesus conquered the empire that crucified him. His religion had become dominant in the most brutal and powerful empire of his day. The “Holy” Roman Empire was conquering THIS world, brandishing the cross of Jesus (who taught that we are to hate the frivolous things of THIS world). I see Islam as a response to the fact that it had become easy for the conquerors of THIS world to claim Jesus as Lord, yet disregarded his fundamental teachings (these hypocrite Christians, and the Jews are the “unbelievers” who are most constantly chastised in the Qur’an. That is why Muslims are those who guard. The revelations of God can be corrupted by men.Dear Ed,
According to Meedo, Quran ABROGATED the previous words of God. You can see your self one example. In the Thorah (as well as the OT Bible), God said “Thou shalt not KILL.” followed by a period. That means that human is not allowed to KILL other human for whatever reason, correct? Now, you can see the Quran. There are Jihadist verses which said “KILL, KILL and KILL”. By human standard, is it what Quran means by ABROGATING the existing words of God? If that so, what kind of God that we, human must believe?
As inJesus said, why did God said something in way in the past, and later changed His mind later in 600AD? It is just does not make sense.
You are confusing apples with pears. In the Old Testament God never says that Jews are to conduct Genocide on ALL non-Jewish tribes on the basis of religious differences. Thus, the commandment in the OT to wipe out a certain tribe living at a certain period in history cannot be presented as something equal to the Koran verses commanding Muslims to fight ALL non-Muslims and humiliate them until the day of judgment because of their not embracing Islam.God told the Israelites to dedicate the inhabitants of Canaan to him. “Dedicate” meant to totally wipe them from the face of the Earth. Today we would call this genocide. God ordered Genocide. Centuries later, Jesus told us to turn the other cheek to our enemies. God speaks to different people, in different ways at different times. He gave us Christians “turn your cheek” and “love thy enemy”. He gave Muslims and the Jews of ancient Israel “eye for an eye”. God has different plans for different peoples. Much transpired between the death of Jesus and the revelations to Muhammad. In this time Jesus conquered the empire that crucified him. His religion had become dominant in the most brutal and powerful empire of his day. The “Holy” Roman Empire was conquering THIS world, brandishing the cross of Jesus (who taught that we are to hate the frivolous things of THIS world).
I would like to know more about the teachings of Jesus in the Gospels. What parts of His teachings do Muslims believe have been tampered with?
everything related to His crucifixion and resurrection. Any passage calling Him the Son of God…any passage in OT and NT saying the Holy Spirit is God, not an angel…any passage talking about His divinity…any passage that says prophets after Jesus will be sent by Jesus. His teachings about marriage and divorce…anything dealing with his universal message…any passage saying without Him we can do nothing…i remember these now…
Wait… Does not the Qur’an state that Muslims are to follow the Injeel (Gospel)? How do they do this?
doesn’t Muhammad say Jesus and Mary were sent an aya to humankind? ayatan lil alamin…?Finally, your interpretation is also refuted by the Koran, which asserts that Jesus was sent only to Israel with no universal message or mission.
For Christians who are fond of quoting imaginary verses from the Qur’an, they really do need to instead examine what Jesus (pbuh) himself says in their very own Bible:… Finally, your interpretation is also refuted by the Koran, which asserts that Jesus was sent only to Israel with no universal message or mission.