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Ed_Rand
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what does it mean? we will be happily cursed in heaven? what do you understand the man is saying other than you are cursed for believing Jesus is the Son of God? do you believe a man who makes God a liar?
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inJESUS
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cursed means we are going to paradise?
which happens to be talking about the crucifixion of Jesus, something denied by Muhammad.“Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us”–Galatians 3:13
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morning_star777
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mr.Ed,i gave you two more reference from quran.did you read those verses?if didn’t read then read sura5:116.it claimed that trinity is father+mother marry+son.now tell me as a christian do you worship mary?and read sura4:11,12,176 about inheritance law.you will find mathematical error.now tell me can god make any error?
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Ed_Rand
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I repeat, No one on this thread has proven that the Qur’an says all Christians are going to hell
Your point is? I explained earlier about how I believe God changed his message for Muslims because of the transgressions of Christians and Jews. Perhaps you should chip away at that explanation instead of simply repeating that the Qur’an and the Bible differ on important points. I accept that the Qur’an and Bible differ on some of the most important aspects. Once again brother, I remind you that God operates on a different plane than you and I. And if he speaks to you and I differently than he speaks to a Muslim, this does not make Him a liar. Once again I ask you, what are the requirements to be a child of Abraham?which happens to be talking about the crucifixion of Jesus, something denied by Muhammad.
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morning_star777
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mr.ED,muslims aren’t confused.you are confused thats why you are not ready to accept any prove.but whatever,its ur wish.but try to guess it.you will found the truth.i am an ex muslim and became christian because i hate those inhuman laws of quran.but if you are not ready to understand any thing then no body can make you understandAlso, if a Muslim believes this, I would say he’s confused about his own scripture.
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hamba2han
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The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said, “By the One in whose hand my soul is, no Jew or Christian of this community hears about me - that is from the community of people from the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him) until the Day of Judgment - and then does not follow me - or he said does not believe in what I brought - except that he is from the inhabitants of the Hell-fire.” [Saheeh Muslim]
As a Muslim, I cannot see how this hadith can make any Jew or Christian feel comfortable about his or her own fate in the Hereafter.
As a Muslim, I cannot see how this hadith can make any Jew or Christian feel comfortable about his or her own fate in the Hereafter.
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Ed_Rand
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If I am confused then show me a verse in the Qur’an which says that all Christians are going to hell!!! THIS REMAINS UNPROVEN!!!mr.ED,muslims aren’t confused.you are confused thats why you are not ready to accept any prove.but whatever,its ur wish.but try to guess it.you will found the truth.i am an ex muslim and became christian because i hate those inhuman laws of quran.but if you are not ready to understand any thing then no body can make you understand
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inJESUS
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I repeat, No one on this thread has proven that the Qur’an says all Christians are going to hell
WHAT DOES IT MEAN YOU ARE CURSED BY ALLAH IF YOU BELIEVE JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD?
Your point is? I explained earlier about how I believe God changed his message for Muslims because of the transgressions of Christians and Jews.
HOW WOULD GOD DENY SOMETHING HE STRESSED PREVIOUSLY? HOW WOULD GOD CURSE YOU FOR SOMETHING HE SAID YOU MUST BELIEVE IN?
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morning_star777
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1st read the previous post of hamb2han.then read my references that show the mathematical error of quran&also historical blunder.then i will give more reference.now read those reference and answer me can god make any error?anyway did jew belive son of god?but quran says itIf I am confused then show me a verse in the Qur’an which says that all Christians are going to hell!!! THIS REMAINS UNPROVEN!!!
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Ed_Rand
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Now this is interesting. Thanks for not beating a dead horse. This is not the Qur’an, but yet it is the proof I was asking for. You see morning star, I was waiting for proof, which you and all others failed to provide. Now tell me hamba, as a Christian, if I have heard and I believe that the Qur’an is God’s word for others, and so cannot give up my own faith, does this verse convict me? Do the hadith’s hold the same status as the Qur’an? Are there many more examples like this outside the Qur’an? Can you point to a verse in the Qur’an which says the same thing?The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said, “By the One in whose hand my soul is, no Jew or Christian of this community hears about me - that is from the community of people from the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him) until the Day of Judgment - and then does not follow me - or he said does not believe in what I brought - except that he is from the inhabitants of the Hell-fire.” [Saheeh Muslim]
As a Muslim, I cannot see how this hadith can make any Jew or Christian feel comfortable about his or her own fate in the Hereafter.
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morning_star777
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Ed,read sura9:30,you will find,QURAN claimed that jews believe ujair(ezra maybe)as son of GOD.but now tell me when jews believe any son of god?jew friends i am asking you tell him did any of you(jew)believe son of god?so Ed,don’t ignore my proofs.read previous reference and this reference.you will find that what ur so called GOD’S word quran claimed!is god a mental patient?if jews never belive son god then why quran claim that?
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inJESUS
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No one will enter Jannah (Paradise) except a believer. Almighty Allah says in the Qur’an “And the dwellers of the Fire cry out unto the dwellers of the Garden: Pour on us some water or some wherewith Allah hath provided you. They say: Lo! **Allah hath forbidden both to disbelievers **(in His guidance).” (Al-‘Araaf: 50)
Are the people who believe Jesis is the Son of God believers or not according to the Quran? no, they are not believers but are curses.
Are the people who believe that Jesus is God believers according to Muhammad? no, he called them disbelievers.
Are the people who reject Muhammad believers? not according to Muhammad.
So here we are not talking about permission of war or choice of peace, we are talking about opposing teaching that are NOT related to situations. Changing the fact that Jesus died is an insult to Jesus, not another “message” from God. Saying Jesus is not the Son of God is changing who Jesus is, when the Father already proclaimed Him His Son…these have NOTHING to do with situations of war and peace where God allows this or that to happen.God will never ever say Jesus was crucified and then deny it.It is a contradiction of essence, not situation. No matter how politically correct one wants to be, attributing moodiness and lies to God is blasphemy, of which Muhammad is accused when he denied everything Jesus did to promote his belief, or disbelief should i say.
Are the people who believe Jesis is the Son of God believers or not according to the Quran? no, they are not believers but are curses.
Are the people who believe that Jesus is God believers according to Muhammad? no, he called them disbelievers.
Are the people who reject Muhammad believers? not according to Muhammad.
So here we are not talking about permission of war or choice of peace, we are talking about opposing teaching that are NOT related to situations. Changing the fact that Jesus died is an insult to Jesus, not another “message” from God. Saying Jesus is not the Son of God is changing who Jesus is, when the Father already proclaimed Him His Son…these have NOTHING to do with situations of war and peace where God allows this or that to happen.God will never ever say Jesus was crucified and then deny it.It is a contradiction of essence, not situation. No matter how politically correct one wants to be, attributing moodiness and lies to God is blasphemy, of which Muhammad is accused when he denied everything Jesus did to promote his belief, or disbelief should i say.
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Ed_Rand
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I’ve already answered this in many posts.WHAT DOES IT MEAN YOU ARE CURSED BY ALLAH IF YOU BELIEVE JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD?
In the passage from Galatians… nevermind… I’ll just quote it again. “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us…” He gave the Israelites a curse and then made Christ a curse for us.HOW WOULD GOD CURSE YOU FOR SOMETHING HE SAID YOU MUST BELIEVE IN?
Why don’t you ask God why He did this, since I can’t seem to explain anything to you?
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morning_star777
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Ed,read sura9:31,it claims that christians take their priests as their lord.wow.so after marry quran find another god!now tell me when christians worship marry?sura5:116,when christian address priests or religious leaders as lord?sura9:31.now quran is in my hand.and i wil give u reference 1by 1
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inJESUS
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I’ve already answered this in many posts.
you said being cursed by God does not mean you are going to hell. What does being cursed by God mean? can you be cursed by God and be with Him?
In the passage from Galatians… nevermind… I’ll just quote it again. “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us…” He gave the Israelites a curse and then made Christ a curse for us.
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morning_star777
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ya you have answered but ur answer was same.you ignored every logic of inJESUS and repeated ur same answer again and again.actually you ignored every posts.I’ve already answered this in many posts.
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hamba2han
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"Surely in disbelief are they who say that Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary." [al-Maidah 5:17 and 72]Now this is interesting. Thanks for not beating a dead horse. This is not the Qur’an, but yet it is the proof I was asking for. You see morning star, I was waiting for proof, which you and all others failed to provide. Now tell me hamba, as a Christian, if I have heard and I believe that the Qur’an is God’s word for others, and so cannot give up my own faith, does this verse convict me? Do the hadith’s hold the same status as the Qur’an? Are there many more examples like this outside the Qur’an? Can you point to a verse in the Qur’an which says the same thing?
"Surely, disbelievers are those who said, ‘Allah is the third of the three [in a Trinity]." [al-Maidah 5:73]
"Those who disbelieve among the People of the Book and the idolaters will abide in the Fire of Hell." [al-Bayyinah 98:6]
"Those who follow the Messenger, the illiterate Prophet whom they find written about with them in the Torah and the Gospel, he commands what is right and forbids what is evil. He allows them the good things and forbids for them disdainful things. He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the fetters that were upon them. So those who believe in him, honor him, help him, and follow the light which has been sent down with him, it is they who will be successful." [al-Araf 7:157]
"Whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted from him and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." [ali-Imran 3:85]
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morning_star777
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dear friend inJESUS pls give him many terrible prove.i am searching quran,but its hard for me.cause i didn’t read it 6 years.but those reference i already gave i think that ed rand ignored all.i have already 4 reference about the mathematical and historical error from quran.but i hope ed will read it.maybe he is reading now.i was reading sura9,lots of verses show that who will go to hell or heaven.
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morning_star777
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hamba2han,though i am a converted christian from islam but i guess that you are a true muslim and you don’t edit quran like our other fellows.thank you that you are not forging your own scripture,like some muslims here in CAF.you are honest man.and ur honesty is helping us now.
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