Jesus' status in Islam and Judaism

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They threw themselves down not because they were taught to, but were scared, then Jesus told them to get up.
The point here is why did God command them to kneel and not pray like you keep suggesting we should?
Because its the way he wants us to pray, by kneeling… simple.
I prefer to stand on my head when I pray. I’m just glad I’m not in a wheelchair because then I couldn’t please God properly with my prayer stance…

Next time I pray I’m going to be quite aware of God’s opinion of my posture. Thanks all, for clearing this issue up for me.

Less sarcasm: Thanks ralphinal for adding a little sanity to this forlorn thread.
 
I prefer to stand on my head when I pray. I’m just glad I’m not in a wheelchair because then I couldn’t please God properly with my prayer stance…

Next time I pray I’m going to be quite aware of God’s opinion of my posture. Thanks all, for clearing this issue up for me.

Less sarcasm: Thanks ralphinal for adding a little sanity to this forlorn thread.
Ed, do you believe the Bible is telling you only bowing is the good position and ticket to heaven? because that’s what we are answering to.
 
Ed, do you believe the Bible is telling you only bowing is the good position and ticket to heaven? because that’s what we are answering to.
My reply was to another post which said we Christians were taught to kneel. Hamba is any more right or wrong than you guys. The only relevant scripture here is what ralphinal quoted, and quoted, and quoted again.
 
inJESUS: that’s what we’ve all been saying all along. But since Hamba insists that Jesus taught that bowing is the only ticket to heaven, then we had to provide scriptures of kneeling, standing, sitting, raising your hands to tell him simply what Ralphinal is saying exactly.
Not here:
They threw themselves down not because they were taught to, but were scared, then Jesus told them to get up.
The point here is why did God command them to kneel and not pray like you keep suggesting we should?
Because its the way he wants us to pray, by kneeling… simple.
Angelos: Why don’t Muslims kneel down before their Allah in their prayers although it is written in the Bible?
Dolphinlove and Angelos were taking the opposite stance of Hamba and saying we were taught a certain way.

Ralphinal’s point was simple and I think everyone in this converstion understood it to be the correct one from the beginning. I guess I’m just disappointed because what started out as the best conversation I’ve ever had has degenerated into petty quibling.
 
Dolphinlove and Angelos were taking the opposite stance of Hamba and saying we were taught a certain way.
they were simply turning the table by showing that we were asked to pray in other ways, which proves that Hamba’s claims of superiority of bowing position are not in the Bible specifically because the Bible mentions what Dolphinlove and Angelos were saying.
Ralphinal’s point was simple and I think everyone in this converstion understood it to be the correct one from the beginning.
not Hamba though. We all understand except him, that is why we had to repeat our answers a zillion time even after Ralph’s posts…if the Bible mentions other ways of prayers, how can he claim that bowing is our sole ticket to heaven when positions in the Bible are not tickets to heaven in the first place, neither is bowing THE position" preferred" by God? i guess you must explain Ralph’s post to Hamba, not to us.
 
Coming back to topic, Jesus status in Islam and Judaism, I say that Jesus has some very good honorable status in Islam. So it is for his mother too, as much as it can be.

I suppose that Jesus has no status in Judaism. What do the present day Jews say about Jesus of Narareth?? I hope nothing good. It is upto them to say what they like. And the attitud eof the Jews about the christians in general. I saw some video in which a Jewish youngman (seemed drunk too) was highly abusive to the evangelists.
 
Correct Planten. Between denying Jesus is the Messiah (Jews) and accepting Him as the Messiah, surely Muslims are closer to truth.
 
Psalm 95:6 O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the Lord our Maker.

Note that both bowing and kneeling are mentioned in Psalm 95:6, the very order in which Muslims perform them.

Apart from bowing and kneeling, Muslims also stand and sit in our prayers… and of course prostrate to God just like what Jesus (pbuh) and his disciples did.

And so, again I ask:

Don’t Christians WANT to pray like how Jesus and the prophets like Abraham and Moses (peace be upon them) prayed to God?

A simple ‘YES’ or ‘NO’ answer would suffice, thank you very much.
 
yes we do all this…what now?
This is NOT what I asked.

My question was:

Don’t Christians WANT to pray like how Jesus and the prophets like Abraham and Moses (peace be upon them) prayed to God?

A simple ‘YES’ or ‘NO’ answer would be most appreciated.
 
This is NOT what I asked.

My question was:

Don’t Christians WANT to pray like how Jesus and the prophets like Abraham and Moses (peace be upon them) prayed to God?

A simple ‘YES’ or ‘NO’ answer would be most appreciated.
yes we pray in all the ways mentioned in the Bible.
 
yes we pray in all the ways mentioned in the Bible.
Some ways are most definitely NOT mentioned and in fact, the Bible gives a stern warning against bowing, kneeling and praying towards statues and graven images:



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Some ways are most definitely NOT mentioned and in fact, the Bible gives a stern warning against bowing, kneeling and praying towards statues and graven images]
ok so stop kneeling and bowing toward a black stone…or is it the distance of the statue that matters?
 
Not to be too crazy, but is it allowed for a Muslim to pray while going to the bathroom? Or, can a Muslim who works at a sewage treatment plant or as a garbage man pray while in “work conditions” so to speak?
 
The following is an interesting article about the many benefits of regularly prostrating in prayer:

Sajda(Prostration) is a unique position or stance in the regular prayers, which a Muslim is supposed to offer at least five times a day. Although the basic purpose of obligatory prayers is not to provide an exercise for people yet it is being increasingly recognized that it has plenty of medical advantages for the human body.

Here it is worth mentioning that Holy Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) has mentioned in a hadith in Ibn Maja: ‘That prayer is a cure for many diseases’. The position of Sajda in which the forehead touches the ground is exclusively associated with the Muslim form of prayer. It is the climax of a Muslim’s prayer and as mentioned in a Hadith a Muslim is nearest to Allah in this position.

The messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: “The nearest a servant comes to his Lord is when he is prostrating himself, so make supplication’ (in this state)” In a Hadith narrated by Anas bin Malik (R.A.) Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) advised Muslims to perform Rukuu (bowing) and Sajda (prostration) properly.

In another Hadith he (peace be upon him) advised to perform Sajda(Prostration) and Bowing calmly and to get up only when the body has come to ease. Hence the first positive effect upon a person who prostrates or does Sajda(Prostration) is that he comes nearest to Allah and hence in that condition he can supplicate.

Psychological advantage:
This is a great psychological advantage and it gives relief to the person concerned as life is full of worries and in this position he gets at least a transient refuge from the agonizing problems.

When a person goes to the position of Sajda (Prostration), his whole body is in active motion. This position can be considered as a mini dive as the musalli (one who offers prayer) goes to rest his forehead on the ground while his hands are placed at the sides. This brings most of the body muscles if not all in active motion and serves to give them some exercise. The hands are then specifically stretched out and thence the forearm as well as arm muscles are supposed to bear the weight in the Sajda (Prostration) position. It gives good exercise to the muscles of the upper limb. The Prophet (peace be upon him) in a hadith advised not to put the forearms flatly on the ground but to keep them elevated above ground and this is better for the forearm and arm muscles.

Sajda (Prostration) is a unique position as this is the only position in which brain (or head) becomes lower than the heart and hence for the first time the blood gushes towards the brain with full force whereas in all other positions (even when lying) brain is above the heart when it has to work against gravity to send blood to the brain. In the position of Sajda (Prostration) due to the increased blood supply the brain receive more nourishment and it has good effect upon memory, vision, hearing, concentration, psyche and all other cognitive abilities.

People who offer their prayers regularly have more will power and can cope with the difficulties of life in a much better manner.

They have less incidence of headaches, psychological problems and other defects of cognitive function. In the unique position of Sajda (Prostration) the neck muscles get best exercise. They have to bear the load when the forehead lies at the ground hence the neck muscles become stronger. One can note the tense pressure at the neck muscles in the position of Sajda (Prostration) specially the active motion of the neck and the facial muscles when the head is being lifted. (e.g. one inch above the ground) and it will be noticed that they are in a very active motion.

More strong cervical muscles mean the cervical vertebra will be better protected. Strength of cervical muscles is important as the head rests upon cervical vertebra supported by cervical musculature. In fact head performs rotator movements over the cervical vertebra. In any accident cervical neck examination is especially important to the physicians because of its extraordinary importance. It is uncommon that a person who offers his prayers regularly will get the usual neck myalgias or cervical spondylosis as the neck muscles particularly become very strong due to the 34 sajdas (Prostrations) offered daily in five prayers.

The unique position of Sajda (Prostration) also has positive effects upon the back muscles as while going into Sajda and getting up from it the back muscle contract actively and they become stronger. Probably it is because of this reason that a person who is regular in prayers will (rarely) get backache.

Finally it must be reminded that (even though) prayer is not meant to be an exercise, there are a lot of medical advantages associated with it. Still the best blessing is the peace of mind, which a person derives by the accomplishment of his duty to Allah by fulfilling an obligation.
 
OH Hamba,
Because we managed to show you that we do pray according to the way God wants us to pray. We have demonstrated God instructed us the way to pray, hence we pray this way.
Now because you have no backup, your telling us the way you pray is good for certain muscles etc???
Im not going to change the way God instructed me to pray because another way is good for my muscles…
:rolleyes:
 
When I was an undergrad, I worked for a couple of years in an orthopedic surgery hospital. We saw a good number of SA citizens who flew to AMerica for specific surgeries on their knees due to this position. They did not want the surgery done at home. Lots of reasons for that.
 
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