Jesus suffering more now?

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I was wondering… At our parish first Saturday prayers, the Rosary is prayed with meditations read out. The prayer book with meditations for the Rosary - which focuses on the Eucharist - says, for the Crowning with Thorns I think, words to the effect of:

“Jesus’ heart is now pierced by a crown of thorns, and he suffers more now in the Eucharist than he did in his entire passion (because the Eucharist is disrespected etc.)”

This seems wrong to me. I would think that all Jesus’ suffering (for the whole past, present and future) took place in the Passion, and -for sure- is present in the Eucharist, but I wouldn’t think it is right to say that Jesus could suffer anything now that he did not suffer for in the Passion.

What do you think?
 
I have no idea the answer to this, but I too am very interested in anyone who may have an idea.
 
Humm…I too am waiting for an answer to this. Does anyone know if Jesus still suffers? I do not believe it is a teaching of the Catholic Church that God still suffers, or that He suffers more. But so many saints have seen the sorrowful heart.

Perhaps the suffering is in a way eternal because it was infinite, I don’t know.
 
I had always thought his suffereing was outside of time, so that stuff we do now would take away from his suffereing then. But this sounds like the eucharist is seperate and that just kind of confuses it for me.
 
I would say either way is still correct.

His suffering is for the past, present and future - He dies for all of us. To Jesus, He has no limit over time.

This doesn’t mean that Jesus does not have a sense of what is in the past, current, and future. When He sees what the world has turned out today comparing to what it was in the past, he sees more worse things (not that He does not see ahead of time). Therefore, in the sense of the present time, He is sadden.

The more He is sadden, the more He wants us to listen to Him and to know that He is God of Mercy. He lets us know by communicating with our modern Saints such as St. Faustina, Father Pio., and especially through our Virgin Mother.

Well, this is what I thought.
 
Dear Trevelyan, Yes.

God does not live in “time” as we do. Everything is “present” to Him… His Passion, Death, and Ressurection.

I wish I could find the proper quote from St. Faustina’s Diary that I would like to share. To paraphrase - it was revealed to Faustina that during the Passion of Our Blessed Lord, the soldiers were mocking Jesus, spitting in His holy face, slapping/punching His face, calling Him names. Then it was made known to her that the soldiers left and many, many people from throughout all time took their place - men, women, children. Each took their turns following the soldiers’ example and through their sins of the flesh, did the same things the soldiers did.

Historically, Christ’s life actually took place in time. But as in St. Faustina’s revelation, we too today are participating in His passion. For sins of the flesh, I too have called Him names, I’ve cursed Him, I’ve spit in His face, slapped Him, and laughed. Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner.
 
Polish said:
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I wish I could find the proper quote from St. Faustina’s Diary that I would like to share. To paraphrase - it was revealed to Faustina that during the Passion of Our Blessed Lord, the soldiers were mocking Jesus, spitting in His holy face, slapping/punching His face, calling Him names. **Then it was made known to her that the soldiers left and many, many people from throughout all time took their place - men, women, children. Each took their turns following the soldiers’ example and through their sins of the flesh, did the same things the soldiers did. **

Historically, Christ’s life actually took place in time. But as in St. Faustina’s revelation, we too today are participating in His passion. For sins of the flesh, I too have called Him names, I’ve cursed Him, I’ve spit in His face, slapped Him, and laughed. Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner.
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This is so very sad…I don’t want to add to His suffering in any way. He has done so much for me and has suffered so much for me already…😦
 
Jesus’s suffering is finished, BUT …

The Mass is a re-presentation of the Sacrifice at Calvary. Mass is outside time, in a sense. Through the Mass, we are present at Calvary.
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In short, all of Christ’s suffering takes place at Calvary.**

This relates to one’s understanding of the Mystical Body of Christ, which exists in present time and in the past, present and future. Christ and His Church are One.

Father Jeremy Driscoll in his book, What Happens at Mass, described the Church as a tree whose trunk, limbs, leaves and fruit exist in TIME. The roots, however extend into the past, the present and into the future. The Church in TIME can draw upon the merits of the entire Church, past, present and future. The reason: God in His Providence foresees all merits, and therefore can apply them at His Good Pleasure. (One example of this is the dogma of the Immaculate Conception. Mary was perserved from the stain of Original Sin and from any Actual Sin during her life through the foreseen merits of her Son).

The Mass can also be described in the same way as this tree. The Body of Christ, Jesus of Nazareth, and the Mystical Body of His Church can also be described in a similar manner. The Church is an instrument, then, that exists in both time and eternity.

If the Body of Christ exists in time and Eternity, then so does the Sacrifice of Christ. What we offer today, what Christ suffers today, He also suffered on the Cross before the Resurrection.

I hope this makes sense.

God bless.
 
Our Lord Jesus Christ continues to suffer due to our sins, blasphemies, indifferences and offences. Just look at the Sacred Heart of Jesus - full of thorns due to the sins we continue to inflct, but… also on fire due to His love for us.

The Sacred Heart is also a refuge for sinners. We can alleviate Christs suffering by acts of reparation offered to the Sacred Heart of Jesus.

This gives me great consolation. I do not want to add to Our Lords suffering but to repair some of of the suffering that I and all sinnners commit.

That image of adding another thorn or lance to His Precious Heart is devastating to me and really helps me try to think before I act.
 
Polish said:
To paraphrase - it was revealed to Faustina that during the Passion of Our Blessed Lord, the soldiers were mocking Jesus, spitting in His holy face, slapping/punching His face, calling Him names. Then it was made known to her that the soldiers left and many, many people from throughout all time took their place - men, women, children. Each took their turns following the soldiers’ example and through their sins of the flesh, did the same things the soldiers did.
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Thank you for sharing this… it certainly makes one think about the consequences of one’s actions.

I also like to think, however, that by doing good and being penitent, we can also help alleviate His suffering, if only a little. In addition to being like the abusers and the executioners, we can also be like Veronica… she was an ordinary sinner too, of course, but her small act of compassion and her desire to give Him relief was greatly treasured and blessed by our suffering Lord.
 
Polish said:
Dear Trevelyan, Yes.

God does not live in “time” as we do. Everything is “present” to Him… His Passion, Death, and Ressurection.

I wish I could find the proper quote from St. Faustina’s Diary that I would like to share. To paraphrase - it was revealed to Faustina that during the Passion of Our Blessed Lord, the soldiers were mocking Jesus, spitting in His holy face, slapping/punching His face, calling Him names. Then it was made known to her that the soldiers left and many, many people from throughout all time took their place - men, women, children. Each took their turns following the soldiers’ example and through their sins of the flesh, did the same things the soldiers did.

Historically, Christ’s life actually took place in time. But as in St. Faustina’s revelation, we too today are participating in His passion. For sins of the flesh, I too have called Him names, I’ve cursed Him, I’ve spit in His face, slapped Him, and laughed. Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner.
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“Then Jesus said to me, Look and see the human race in its present condition. In an instant, I saw horrible things: the executioners left Jesus, and other people started scourging Him; they seized the scourges and struck the Lord mercilessly. These were priests, religious men and women, and high dignitaries of the Church, which surprised me greatly. There were lay people of all ages and walks of life. All vented their malice on the innocent Jesus. Seeing this, my heart fell as if into a mortal agony. And while the executioners had been scourging Him, Jesus had been silent and looking into the distance; but when those other souls I mentioned scourged Him, Jesus closed His eyes, and a soft but most painful moan escaped from His Heart. And Jesus gave me to know in detail the gravity of the malice of these ungrateful souls: You see, this is a torture greater than My death. Then my lips too fell silent, and I began to experience the agony of death …” (Diary, 445).
 
Jesus suffers as the entire mystical Body of Christ suffers. It suffers when Communion is taken by somebody who doesn’t fully believe in the Eucharist, because it’s as if a member has been severed and Jesus is right there at the point of separation. Jesus doesn’t suffer by being consumed by the unworthy, but the shock can be challenging to the sinner who does it. That makes the soul cry out for its Father but despair of who it is or how to find Him.

He suffers every time one CAF poster calls another one a “troll” or a “heretic” or anything else. Or accuses each other of not discussing in good faith. It suffers every time a person could have helped another but doesn’t due to selfishness. It suffers with every mugging and every robbery.

OTOH, it rejoices every time a Christian ministry drills a well or builds a school in Africa. It rejoices with every kind word that crosses our lips and fingers. It rejoices when we do something cheerfully even though we would avoid doing it. It rejoices with every song and pray that we offer. We should all realize the power we have in our words. Communicating kindness is but another way to say perform an act of mercy.

We ARE the Body of Christ. Jesus does not suffer any physical pain now, except to the degree He is timeless so “now” for us doesn’t mean “now” for Him. He suffers mystical, mental pain, here and now, for us, with us, and through us. And every word and deed to or from any of us influences it one way or t’other.

Alan
 
Unfortunately many Catholics don’t even believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist or Transubstantiation. That is so sad. I am sure it saddens Jesus as well.
 
2 Corinth 1:3-5
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and God of all encouragement, 4 who encourages us in our every affliction, so that we may be able to encourage those who are in any affliction with the encouragement with which we ourselves are encouraged by God. 5 **For as Christ’s sufferings **overflow to us, so through Christ does our encouragement also overflow.
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Paul, who didn’t know Jesus until after His Passion - says that the sufferings (present tense) of Christ overflow onto him. How is it possible that the sufferings of Christ would overflow onto Paul if those sufferings were no longer happening?
 
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