Jesus: the Wrath of God

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reading scripture it seems the order of future events is:

when the 3 1/2 years of the beast authority is finished he will kill the two prophets
and put his image in the temple.
then the two are resurrected and ascend to heaven,
this is likely the rapture event for the whole church.
matt 24 he will gather his elect,
then He will decend from heaven and stand on the mount of olives,
it will split in two with a large earthquake affecting jerusalem.
then he will wage war against the UN forces occupying jerusalem and israel.
then later we see Him standing on mount Zion with the 144,000 loyalist
who have turned to Him.
It seems in the next period of time, maybe 3 1/2 years, there is war to totally
depopulate israel of foreigners and palestianians,
and that israels nuclear weapons are used against certain nations, like ethiopia.
[don’t imagine that God didn’t give nuclear weapons to mankind so He wouldn’t make use of them Himself, mankind has been given the weapons of his own destruction.]
then
the beast, false prophet gather all the nations to war against Jesus,
and they are defeated by Jesus leading a heavenly army.
Note: Jesus in rev 19 is dripped in blood while these are clean and white,
so He has already been fighting in Israel before the final battle.
Jesus does not return as a king or savior, he returns as a judge and executioner
and then becomes King and ruler.
During the second 3 1/2 years He can ascend and decend to heaven as much as He wants, He can after all fly, walk on water, cause storms, strike with plague, etc etc
He executes the Wrath of God with anger and bloodshed greatly.
 
Why do you think G-d would want to go through all this trouble?

I much prefer the simple return explained in Matthew 25:31-46. Jesus returns and wraps up matters nicely.

It is hard enough to understand why people would choose to separate themselves from G-d, and so, deserve Hell for eternity, without unusually complicating the story.

G-d does not have to show His wrath…only His final judgement. If that thought doesn’t straighten up our lives, mythic beasts and terrible earthly events won’t do the trick either.

Please get Scott Hahn’s book, “Supper of the Lamb” for some positive thoughts about Revelation.

Bless you!

Peace.
 
There is no such thing as the “rapture”.

John Nelson Darby started the idea of the rapture in the 1800’s.

Perhaps you would like to read “dispensationalism” on this site:

catholic.com/thisrock/1999/9904fea1.asp

It will help you understand where the idea of the rapture began. You have a right and duty to inform yourself.
 
the rapture is true,
it is contained in 2 thessalonians.
also
matth 24
Raptures occurred to
enoch
elijah
and will occur to the two witnesses/prophets. though their a resurrection and then a rapture.

as to ‘all that trouble’
I’m not making up the book of Revelation,
that’s what we are facing, probably in the next 20 years or less.
 
thallon said:
the rapture is true,
it is contained in 2 thessalonians.
also
matth 24
Raptures occurred to
enoch
elijah
and will occur to the two witnesses/prophets. though their a resurrection and then a rapture.

as to ‘all that trouble’
I’m not making up the book of Revelation,
that’s what we are facing, probably in the next 20 years or less.
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You are incorrect. 1 Thessolonians refers to the second coming of Christ. I’m not sure which passage from 2 Th that you would be referring to. Please post it so we can respond. Anyhow 1 Th 4:16-17 says:
For the Lord himself, with a word of command, with the voice of an archangel and with the trumpet of God, will come down from heaven, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Thus we shall always be with the Lord.
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This is where the word rapture comes from, but its meaning has been distorted. Notice how it says “with the trumpet of God”. Which trumpet? The final trumpet which signals the coming of Christ written about in Revelation. This refers to the last day. Also, Mt 24: 37-39 refers to the second coming of Christ. There is nothing in the scriptures that refers to a pre-tribulation rapture.
For as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
In (those) days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day that Noah entered the ark.They did not know until the flood came and carried them all away. So will it be (also) at the coming of the Son of Man.
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Ever stop to think about the days of Noah? Who was it that was taken away? The BAD people were swept away. Not the believers. The believers (Noah and family) were left behind. So, if we are to believe the scriptures, at the end of time, the bad will be swept away first, then in the moments afterward, we shall see the Lord coming in the clouds. And that is it, judgement.

There is no such thing as two second comings (one for rapture and one for the judgement). The examples of Enoch and Elijah are not what is going to happen to us. The notion of pre-tribulation rapture is not only un-biblical, but anti-biblical. For the whole reason for such a belief is based on the notion that God would not let true believers suffer the final tribulation. Sorry, but this is just totally contrary to what the Scriptures say and totally contrary to Jesus and the Apostles own examples. True believers have suffered for centuries… martyrs were gutted, burned alive and torn apart by lions. Sometimes believers are saved by God, as a witness to His Glory, sometimes He permits a horrible death. There is no free pass for believers for the final tribulation. It is not in the scriptures, you only believe it because you are reading the scriptures with a false lens… read them objectively and you will find nothing about a pre-tribulation rapture. Additionally, take a look at the writings of the earliest Christians-- there is nothing about a pre-trib rapture. You only see the belief develop in the 1800’s.

Consider reading the Catholic commentaries on Revelation, especially early Church Fathers. You will see a marked difference in the interpretation of that book.
 
Prayer Warior,
You have hit the nail on the head so to speak- I would ask any non-Catholic to refute your message.

Bob
 
thallon said:
reading scripture it seems the order of future events is:

when the 3 1/2 years of the beast authority is finished he will kill the two prophets
and put his image in the temple.
then the two are resurrected and ascend to heaven,
this is likely the rapture event for the whole church.
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I’m sorry, but since when did the ressurrection and assumption of two specific prophets into Heaven constitute the assumption of the entirety of Christendom? Either God’s Universal Church is incredibly tiny, or you’re mis-interpreting this passage…
 
thallon said:
the rapture is true,
it is contained in 2 thessalonians.
also
matth 24
Raptures occurred to
enoch
elijah
and will occur to the two witnesses/prophets. though their a resurrection and then a rapture.

as to ‘all that trouble’
I’m not making up the book of Revelation,
that’s what we are facing, probably in the next 20 years or less.
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The Catholic Church does not deny the extremely occasional assumption of specific individuals into Heaven (in fact we believe in another person’s assumption which you left out here: Mary). There’s also speculation that the two prophets will be Elijah and Enoch (which is why they didn’t die earlier: so they could die just the once at the end of time).

No one claimed that you made up the Book of Revelation, just that someone without any authority from God “made up” the interpretation of it called Dispensationalism which you seem to be espousing. God, though, (through His Apostle Matthew) did, “make up” the verse where Jesus tells us that “of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only” (Matt 24:36), so I hope you don’t mind if we take your “next 20 years or less” prediction with a grain of biblical salt…
 
thallon said:
Note: Jesus in rev 19 is dripped in blood while these are clean and white, so He has already been fighting in Israel before the final battle.
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Note: Have you ever considered the much simpler explanation that Jesus “is dripped in blood” (sic) because He’s “the Lamb that was Slain”?
 
The Lamb’s Supper by Hahn is a good book for how to properly read Revelations… it’s about the mass! Not the rapture.
 
ESMDHokie77 said:
The Lamb’s Supper by Hahn is a good book for how to properly read Revelations… it’s about the mass! Not the rapture.
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Speaking of the Rapture in the context of the Mass, my wife firmly believes that John was caught up into the vision that became the Book of Revelation during the Great Amen in the Mass…
 
How do you know it is the same John? no historical evidence exists in the Church that they were one and the same.
 
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How do you know it is the same John? no historical evidence exists in the Church that they were one and the same.
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Please don’t make silly arguments. Do you have incontrovertible evidence that the author of the Gospel was NOT St. John the Apostle? Of course you don’t.

Most reasonable people accept the canon as approved by the early Church Fathers and Councils, that both the Gospel and Revelation were authored by the Apostle John.

And no, I do not have a copy of the 4th Gospel with his signature and verification of at least two witnesses to his signature. We also do not have the verified signatures of the authors of the other three Gospels, either.

Peace be with you!
 
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