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Don_Hepler
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In reference to Isaiah 53, “Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.” Don Hepler wrote earlier,
Don,
So what you are saying is that Christ didn’t marry a woman and have children but rather that He ‘married’ humanity – or took His believers to Him as a man takes to himself a wife – by His sacrifice? That His crucifixion was as a marriage ceremony in which He pledged His devotion to His folowers? That His resurrection was like the consumation of the marriage? MY Friend I have to speak to you about your last address to me, but the timing is wrong… will write later, however This is not what I mean. their is a Book called The Blood line of the Holy Grail. He the author is the Geneolist of the Royal lines. In his book and by the way He is thee geneolist of all Royality, proves that Christ was married and that he had a son named Jesus Justice, This book can be found in Barnes and Noble the book is increadable Of course we don’t want our Catholic friends to know about this, It wouldn’t be fact. However Jesus was literially married, He took a wife, This book is recongize by KINGS of Europe. He of course doesn’t believe Jesus is the Son of God. But he follows Jesus blood Line. This book will never be excepted by anyone in the forum. And that this book is fictional and discredit the author. But that’s to be expected with small minds. God Bless… Find the book or Google it. If this is what you are saying, or something similar, I would agree. And scripture would suport this concept.
John 12:23-27,
“And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour. Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.”
Isaiah 54:1-8,
“Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD. Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes; For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited. Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more. For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God. For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee. In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.”
Thanks for the insight and inspiration. I may have misunderstood you earlier.
P.S: When I read Isaiah 53 I generally acknowledge that Christ is depicted as undesirable and despised and so when the the question, “and who shall declare his generation?” is posed that it is indicating that Christ has no physical children. That He was deprived of what, at the time Isaiah was writing, is considered the great honor of reproduction and preservation of heriditary genealogy. Then the prophet goes on to explain how that, even though Christ has no children (in the usual sense), that His believers become as His children.
Was sex created by God, and given to man and woman? Did He bless and ordain sexual relations between husband and wife, within the bounds of the marriage(adultery is a sin, of course!) Did He say that any particular form of sex was forbidden(some would suggest,sodomy, oral sex,bestiality, same sex, sex, and of course incest). And the belief that catholics cannot have oral sex, to the point of ejaculation(what about the female?), is that based on the story of Onan, who was commanded to sleep with his brother’s wife, to give her a child, but “finished” outside? Would this be a sin of disobedience, or sexual immorality? And is it really important how, or how often couples have sex, whether it is one position only, with the lights out, only in the bedroom; or whenever the mood hits them(discreetly, of course), in places other than the bedroom. Is this an attempt to justify Joseph, POSSIBLY, not having sex with his wife, Mary? Matthew does say, that he waited until after Jesus was born to have sexual relations with her(could have been a year or more later!) I have to agree with the poster, who said, that this issue has nothing to do with our salvation, or eternity, but it is fun to debate it
