Jesus' Wife: Objectionable because..?

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Because it’s old hat. And people love to look for excuses for their own faults.🤷

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I don’t think there’s nearly enough evidence to make much of a case for it, but if it were true? I’d have no objection at all.
 
There are over 40,000 various sects in the Christian faith. This does not count every preacher or follower who just preaches whatever they feel like preaching or believing that day. What harm will one more forged document about Jesus having a wife make? To those who choose to follow their own belief - just 40,000 plus one sect and some more watered down and false beliefs. To those who are committed to one truth, one faith, one God never changing - sorrow that it led more lambs astray. We have Christians accepting gay marriage, abortions, birth control, Jesus was a man made into a god, etc… What harm does one false belief make? It changes a faith to something God did not make or teach. It takes followers away from God and one step closer to separation from God. Satan takes inspiring false beliefs one baby step at a time until what many Christians believe in is no longer Christian.
 
Reuben_J said:
With due respect, that is a personal opinion. It is a hypothetical question. We wouldn’t know what could have happened if Jesus was married. The Bible might be written differently and there would be changes in certain doctrine.

We cannot know the mind of God other than what he revealed to us and we cannot limit what God can do.
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We may not “know the mind of God,” but we do know what he has chosen to reveal to us. We are called to be discerning. We must ask ourselves, “Is Jesus taking a bride consistent with what has been revealed to us?” The answer is, “No.”

His alignment with God’s will, not man’s. His resistance to the temptations of Satan. His focus on completing his mission in the face of horrible suffering–to the point of asking for the cup to pass from him as he sweated blood in the garden. He could have wiped out his torturers with the blink of an eyelash to prevent them from killing him on the cross. And, when asked about marriage by the Sadducees, he said, “You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven." (See Matthew chapter 22)

It’s more than a personal opinion. It’s being discerning about who Jesus Christ is based on what has been revealed to us in the Bible.
 
BrianGular said:
We may not “know the mind of God,” but we do know what he has chosen to reveal to us. We are called to be discerning. We must ask ourselves, “Is Jesus taking a bride consistent with what has been revealed to us?” The answer is, “No.”

His alignment with God’s will, not man’s. His resistance to the temptations of Satan. His focus on completing his mission in the face of horrible suffering–to the point of asking for the cup to pass from him as he sweated blood in the garden. He could have wiped out his torturers with the blink of an eyelash to prevent them from killing him on the cross. And, when asked about marriage by the Sadducees, he said, “You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven." (See Matthew chapter 22)
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It’s more than a personal opinion. It’s being discerning about who Jesus Christ is based on what has been revealed to us in the Bible.**
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And not just the Bible, but of Tradition all along the way.
 
BrianGular said:
If Jesus Christ had a wife it would change everything. It would call into question his identity, his very being. Jesus Christ is God’s Word–co-eternal and co-existent with the Father and the Spirit from eternity past. It is through this Word that the universe was created. It is through this Word that God became man and died on the cross, only to rise again to prove his deity. It is through this Word that the sins of men have been forgiven. It is through this Word that God will ultimately redeem the universe–with the new heaven and the new earth. It is silly to think that God personified taking a wife would be no big deal or that he would take a wife because it was customary. Jesus was never shown to be afraid of a little controversy while doing the will of the Father.

The accusation of having a spouse is an attack on who Jesus Christ is, not on what he has done.
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You make Jesus sound like an ideal instead of the person he actually was. I’m guessing he also slept, ate and liked or disliked different foods, went to the bathroom, got sick, stubbed his toe, etc. It’s not totally unplausable that he also married. We know so little about his actual human life.
 
BrianGular said:
We may not “know the mind of God,” but we do know what he has chosen to reveal to us. We are called to be discerning. We must ask ourselves, “Is Jesus taking a bride consistent with what has been revealed to us?” The answer is, “No.”

His alignment with God’s will, not man’s. His resistance to the temptations of Satan. His focus on completing his mission in the face of horrible suffering–to the point of asking for the cup to pass from him as he sweated blood in the garden. He could have wiped out his torturers with the blink of an eyelash to prevent them from killing him on the cross. And, when asked about marriage by the Sadducees, he said, “You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven." (See Matthew chapter 22)

It’s more than a personal opinion. It’s being discerning about who Jesus Christ is based on what has been revealed to us in the Bible.
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My sympathy is with you and I am on your side.

As I said it is a hypothetical question. As far as I am concerned, Jesus was not married and that’s the end of.

But if it was so willed that he was married, will it violate of what he is? My answer is no, if that is what God wanted it to be. I guess this is your central point. If you look at the Bible, there is no mention at all that it is God’s will that he should be unmarried. He is everything a man should be except for sin.

All that you cited above as examples do not violate if Jesus should have married. What has that got to do with his resistance to the temptation of Satan, for example? Even Mathew 22 that you referred to, will not change anything if Jesus was married. St. Paul said that both state of life, married and unmarried is acceptable, depend on what your calling is. Then again, even our priests were allowed to get married probably for the first 800 years.

The only thing, question like this, perhaps, I would say perhaps, irritate us as it perhaps (again) by implication, ridicules history, the Bible and our belief. On the other hand, it is asked all the time especially by children and non-believers. So what is your answer? That it violates who Jesus is? How so? I cannot think of anything that it could.
 
poker10 said:
You make Jesus sound like an ideal instead of the person he actually was. I’m guessing he also slept, ate and liked or disliked different foods, went to the bathroom, got sick, stubbed his toe, etc. It’s not totally unplausable that he also married. We know so little about his actual human life.
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This kind of response saddens me. Jesus is the ideal man. So many people shrug off Jesus’s divinity and land on his humanity. Yes, he was fully human. But he was also a better Adam, a human who was able to perfectly keep the law in a way that the first Adam failed. Adam succumbed to sin on a full belly after a lecture from the serpent. Jesus rejected the devil’s temptations after 40 days of fasting in the wilderness. This is no mere man! If we focus on only his humanity we risk sliding into thinking we can be better, too. If only we worked a little harder or suffered a little better we could earn righteousness. But no. We can’t do that. And a mere man couldn’t do it, either. That’s why we can’t just shrug off the marriage claim.
 
Reuben_J said:
My sympathy is with you and I am on your side.

As I said it is a hypothetical question. As far as I am concerned, Jesus was not married and that’s the end of.

But if it was so willed that he was married, will it violate of what he is? My answer is no, if that is what God wanted it to be. I guess this is your central point. If you look at the Bible, there is no mention at all that it is God’s will that he should be unmarried. He is everything a man should be except for sin.

All that you cited above as examples do not violate if Jesus should have married. What has that got to do with his resistance to the temptation of Satan, for example? Even Mathew 22 that you referred to, will not change anything if Jesus was married. St. Paul said that both state of life, married and unmarried is acceptable, depend on what your calling is. Then again, even our priests were allowed to get married probably for the first 800 years.

The only thing, question like this, perhaps, I would say perhaps, irritate us as it perhaps (again) by implication, ridicules history, the Bible and our belief. On the other hand, it is asked all the time especially by children and non-believers. So what is your answer? That it violates who Jesus is? How so? I cannot think of anything that it could.
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I do not know how to bridge this gap. Yes, it is theoretically possible that Jesus was married. And if all we care about is what he did or said then perhaps I could shrug it off, too. But he wasn’t just human. He is the son of God, the second person of the trinity. He is God’s Word through which all things were made. That has to count for something significant in this discussion.

Jesus’s focus was on the Father’s will. Paul, under the influence of the Holy Spirit, wrote that it would be better not to be married. Catholics, of all people, whose priests must take a vow of celibacy and who celebrate Mary’s perpetual virginity, should understand this. Why celibacy? Focus, focus, focus.
 
BrianGular said:
I do not know how to bridge this gap. Yes, it is theoretically possible that Jesus was married. And if all we care about is what he did or said then perhaps I could shrug it off, too. But he wasn’t just human. He is the son of God, the second person of the trinity. He is God’s Word through which all things were made. That has to count for something significant in this discussion.

Jesus’s focus was on the Father’s will. Paul, under the influence of the Holy Spirit, wrote that it would be better not to be married. Catholics, of all people, whose priests must take a vow of celibacy and who celebrate Mary’s perpetual virginity, should understand this. Why celibacy? Focus, focus, focus.
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The issue here is how you answer the question posed. One has to answer it in the most rationale and objectivity otherwise we would sound overly defensive.

In the first paragraph, what you say does not make a difference whether Jesus was married or not. The Messiahship of Jesus does not hang on his marital status unless you can tell what I don’t know already.

What Paul says about the state of one life derives from what Jesus himself says in Mathew 19: 8-12. I would agree with you that it is better not to be married “for the sake of the kingdom of heaven”. But this is by no means a cut and dry issue. One of the reasons Jesus says that we should not marry is in the context of adultery and divorce. One can hardly apply this to Jesus.

The other reason is we choose to be eunuch and accept it as it is. Probably you can use this point for Jesus though I don’t think it is conclusive.

I notice you bring up the fact that we are Catholics. I hope you don’t lose your objectivity there. As I said, celibate priests are just a discipline. Priests were married in the early years of Christianity (and even Popes). Still I don’t see how this can support that Jesus should be unmarried. Now, you just show me the Church’s doctrine that says Jesus must be unmarried and then we can dwell on that.

It is different for the Blessed Virgin. In Catholic’s doctrine (and Orthodox) she was a perpetual virgin and that would make her having only one son, Jesus.
 
poker10 said:
You make Jesus sound like an ideal instead of the person he actually was. I’m guessing he also slept, ate and liked or disliked different foods, went to the bathroom, got sick, stubbed his toe, etc. It’s not totally unplausable that he also married. We know so little about his actual human life.
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There is zero historical evidence that he was married, and from a Christian perspective, there are many important circumstantial reasons why couldn’t have been.

All this talk about about Jesus being married is nothing more than people trying to anger and confuse Christians.
 
TimothyH said:
The Church is the Bride of Christ.

That is not a metaphor or allegory. Marriage is a covenant relationship, and Christ is in a covenant relationship with his Church. For Christ to have a human wife aside from his bride - the Church - makes Christ an adulterer.

That is not possible.
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I must disagree that Christ marrying a human wife would make Him polygamist or adulterer. The “mystical union betwixt Christ and His Church” is clearly not identical to matrimony - rather, human marriages are signs and symbols of the far-grander cosmic Wedding-Feast.
 
The Gnostic claim that Jesus had a wife has far-ranging implications in their spiritual good, physical evil / man good, woman evil world view. Gnostics predated Christianity and were loathed by a specific school of Roman philosophy that despised their predeliction for faking “ancient” documents and other irregularities. Gnostics were very pro-male, so to speak, and one Gnostic “gospel” has “Jesus” raising a boy from the dead and then doing the nasty with him. Was Jesus married? Prolly not as you’d think somebody would have mentioned it. There is no secret marriage because it is by its nature a public proclamation.

The DuhVinci Code had as its punchline Sophie, the offspring of “Jesus” and “Mary Magdalene” ensconced in the shack out back of the Gnosticky chapel to procreate sacred kidlets with strangers. The Gnostics claim the divine lineage as their genetic Christian means to rule the world through the Merovingians or whoever they finally settle on as genetic Christian rulers. Here’s an overview of Gnostic schtick:
newmediaministries.org/DaVinciCode/GnosticFeminism_S.html
 
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