Jesus=Yeshua?

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People know Him as Jesus, and it’s not excessively relevant what people called him then and now. If you went on about Yeshua then many people wouldn’t have a clue who you’re talking about and you’d alienate yourself from them- Jesus is simply the “Pop” name of the Messiah, just as Madiba’s “Pop” name is Mandela.
Actually Madiba is the “Pop” name of Mandela… His name is Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela… Madiba is a Xhosa nickname just like he is also called “Tata”… I’m South African 🙂

Also to reply to the original post :

Jesus is used because we speak english. Although Jesus is Greco-English and the real translation of Yeshua should be Joshua or Jeshua, we still acknowledge him by the name handed down to us as it is a valid translation of his name.

Its like why do we call the prophet Yakov by the name Jacob. Why do we call Shimon Cephas by the nam Simon Peter? Why do we call the prisoner Barabas when his name was Yeshua Bar Abba (literally translated as “Jesus son of the Father”)??? The answer is because these are the Greco-English equivalents.

In South Africa Jesus is called Jesu by most natives. In Arabia Jesus is called Isa or Yasu.

In South Africa we also say Khatholika instead of Catholic which intern is from the Greek Katholikos

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Hi Paul11b!

How are you?

I call Jesus Christ “Jesus” and/or “Jesus Christ” most of the time because Christians call him “Jesus”, that is his name in English, I grew up saying “Jesus” and “Jesus Christ”, and etc.

But, I would really like to perfer to call Jesus “Yeshua” because the Aramaic name “Yeshua” was his real name in life, he was a Ancient Israelite/Ancient Hebrew/Ancient Jew, his religion was and he taught Messianic Judaism (According to Messianic Jews and myself but, mainstream Christians like Roman Catholics, Orthodox Christians, and Protestants think that his religion was and he taught Christianity.) he spoke Aramaic as his original langauge, and etc. Plus, I really love, I am really interested in, and I am really drawn to Messianic Judaism and that is why I would really like call Jesus by his real name…Yeshua.

By the way, did you know that Muslims call Jesus/Jesus Christ/Yeshua by the Arabic name, “Issa”.

Peace! 🙂

Love,
VikingGirlTBird! 🙂
The Arabic word for Jesus is Ya’suua, with the proper equivalent (of the name we know in English as Joshua) being Yushua. Issa is a fallacious character and is not Jesus. Issa, in all likelihood, is derived from Esau-- who is hated.
 
Jesus’ name was never spelled “Yeshua”. Arguably, it was never spelled “Jesus”. His name was spelled using either the Aramaic, Hebrew or Greek alphabets. As I already posted, “I”, “J” and “Y” are all very closely related, so “Jesus” is simply one way out of many that our lord’s name could be validly written in using the Latin/English alphabet.

Bottom line is that no one ever called Him “Yeshua” while he was alive. Such a word did not exist, because no one language had all these letters at time!
Yeshua is a transliteration into the English alphabet. Your argument is linguistically… odd. The Aramaic equivalent IS Yeshua when transliterated via the English. Similarly, we see Shaul/Saul, Shmuel/Samuel, etc. The Hebrew, when transliterated, IS Yehoshua, and in English its proper equivalent is Joshua. Transliteration is a pronunciation tool for non-native speakers or for words which would require too much phrasing to accomplish in another language per an full translation.
 
Yeshua is a transliteration into the English alphabet. Your argument is linguistically… odd. The Aramaic equivalent IS Yeshua when transliterated via the English. Similarly, we see Shaul/Saul, Shmuel/Samuel, etc. The Hebrew, when transliterated, IS Yehoshua, and in English its proper equivalent is Joshua. Transliteration is a pronunciation tool for non-native speakers or for words which would require too much phrasing to accomplish in another language per an full translation.
Transliteration is subjective.
 
The Arabic word for Jesus is Ya’suua, with the proper equivalent (of the name we know in English as Joshua) being Yushua. Issa is a fallacious character and is not Jesus. Issa, in all likelihood, is derived from Esau-- who is hated.
Wikipedia, as well as the rest of the Internet, assures me that Jesus is known as “عيسى‎ ʿĪsā” in Arabic (not Issa). I don’t see any Google hits at all for “Ya’suua” so I don’t know what else He may be called.
 
Wikipedia, as well as the rest of the Internet, assures me that Jesus is known as “عيسى‎ ʿĪsā” in Arabic (not Issa). I don’t see any Google hits at all for “Ya’suua” so I don’t know what else He may be called.
You linked to “Jesus in Islam”, and Islam isn’t Arabic… but Islam.

There simply is no Jesus in Islam. There is only the moronic character of Issa (Isa, Ysa, etc… since as a previous poster said, transliteration is tricky) which has absolutely no bearing on the linguistic truth of Jesus’ name in various languages. Jesus’ name in Hebrew was Yehoshua, in Aramaic Yeshua, and in Latin, Jesus (Yay-soos). The true English equivalent is Joshua and the term Jesus used today in English is a result of the variance in the sound from the Latin-- as English does not employ a “Y” sound for the letter “J”, along with a lot more lenient observance of the way vowels are pronounced.

The actual Arabic rendering of the name Joshua itself is analogous to the Aramaic and is pronounced Yushua. Arabic-speaking Christians do NOT use Issa, but say Ya’suua-- which is much closer. Isa/Ysa/Issa is derived, in all likelihood, from Esau. There is simply no logical linguistic path to follow to render the name Issa/Ysa/Isa from the very concrete foundations of the semitic language group which includes Arabic, Hebrew and Aramaic. Issa is not Jesus merely translated into another language, nor is it an acceptable variant in the same.

Per the narrative and necessary interlacing of Mary we do read that Mary was pure and a virgin in Surah Three. We read that she was told by angels she would bear a son who would be called the Messiah. Aside from that, the narrative is from totally out of left-field. However, in Surah Four, verses One-Hundred Fifty-Seven and One-Hundred Fifty-Eight, we read that this concocted Issa was NOT crucified and Allah just made it appear so, and then Allah took this Issa fellow up to Heaven.

The mere use of similar names, or ascribing drastically different character profiles to names which are falsely-claimed as analogous to a rendering in another language, and completely changing the narrative, does NOT mean that person, name, or narrative claimed is the same or even good enough to pass Go. Certainly not when discussing the immutable and glorious truth of the Gospel. For example, I cannot take the C.S. Lewis character of the demon Screwtape, call him Nailgun, have him cast as a mere human that floats around writing blog posts to influence an election in peacetime, and then say this new story resembles The Screwtape Letters, Nailgun is Screwtape, or that the evil demon and the new character profile of the good guy are the same in effect. It might work for a Hollywood re-write, but it just doesn’t follow logic, reason, and truth-- of which Jesus Christ is the epitome.

There is no Jesus in Islam and even if there was, His name was never Isa prior to Muhammad making it up out of thin air!

Yasū‘ (يَسُوعَ)
Christian Arabic version of the name of Jesus (as opposed to the Islamic Arabic term Isa عيسى)
Yasū‘u l-Masīḥ (يَسُوعُ المسيح)
Jesus Christ

The “3” or “E” looking letter at the end (far left) of the first entry is an Ayn, and differs from Aleph as Aleph is always long. Allow me to translate each letter:

Ya’a (Y) with fatah (short “a” vowel sound)>Siin (S) with a dhamma (short “u” vowel sound), Waw (Long U, being in the middle of the word), Ayn (a variant of what in English would be an A sound, but very specific). Rendering: Ya’suua in a mix from the Aramaic and Arabic versions of Joshua. Conclusion: Only Islam erroneously has “Isa”(and its transliterated variants) as a name and this is even at odds with linguistic truth and parallel paths within the semitic language group. Its only possible source would be the name Esau along a path of linguistic bastardization. This isn’t surprising considering Muhammad had such mixed up narratives and character relations that he casts Mary as being under the care of Zechariah, etc.

Simply put, “Jesus” in Islam ain’t Jesus at all and neither is the name they use defensible in the Arabic language.
 

There simply is no Jesus in Islam. There is only the moronic character of Issa (Isa, Ysa, etc… since as a previous poster said, transliteration is tricky) which has absolutely no bearing on the linguistic truth of Jesus’ name in various languages. …

The actual Arabic rendering of the name Joshua itself is analogous to the Aramaic and is pronounced Yushua. Arabic-speaking Christians do NOT use Issa, but say Ya’suua-- which is much closer. Isa/Ysa/Issa is derived, in all likelihood, from Esau. There is simply no logical linguistic path to follow to render the name Issa/Ysa/Isa from the very concrete foundations of the semitic language group which includes Arabic, Hebrew and Aramaic. Issa is not Jesus merely translated into another language, nor is it an acceptable variant in the same.

Per the narrative and necessary interlacing of Mary we do read that Mary was pure and a virgin in Surah Three. We read that she was told by angels she would bear a son who would be called the Messiah. Aside from that, the narrative is from totally out of left-field. However, in Surah Four, verses One-Hundred Fifty-Seven and One-Hundred Fifty-Eight, we read that this concocted Issa was NOT crucified and Allah just made it appear so, and then Allah took this Issa fellow up to Heaven.



There is no Jesus in Islam and even if there was, His name was never Isa prior to Muhammad making it up out of thin air!

Yasū‘ (يَسُوعَ)
Christian Arabic version of the name of Jesus (as opposed to the Islamic Arabic term Isa عيسى)
Yasū‘u l-Masīḥ (يَسُوعُ المسيح)
Jesus Christ …

Simply put, “Jesus” in Islam ain’t Jesus at all and neither is the name they use defensible in the Arabic language.
You did it better than I could have. 🙂 Thank you for posting this. It’s all quite accurate, and it would be nice if it put an end (at least in this forum) to the mistaken ideas that are so “politically correct” these days.

The only thing I would question is the “voweling” in the Aramaic. I think the vowel on the yodh should be rvoso (rvasa).
 
You did it better than I could have. 🙂 Thank you for posting this. It’s all quite accurate, and it would be nice if it put an end (at least in this forum) to the mistaken ideas that are so “politically correct” these days.

The only thing I would question is the “voweling” in the Aramaic. I think the vowel on the yodh should be rvoso (rvasa).
I am not familiar enough with Aramaic diacritics to say yes or no, but there is no Rvoso/Rvasa diacritic in Arabic. It’s definitely a Fatah indicating a short “a”. Arabic has no “V” sound and any translation/transliteration must make use of the F’aa or B’aa. Perhaps you’re drawing in some Farsi or something? Rvasa sounds Hindi or perhaps Urdu?

Diacritics in Arabic were a late invention for the spread of Islam. Originally the quran had no diacritics and this was causing issues in converts reading the quran out loud since you can literally have completely different words with the same base spelling-- depending on the pronunciation. Long vowels are set in stone and indicated by the letter’s place in the word. For example, Waw (و) is a consonant at the beginning of a word with a true “W” sound, but takes on its long vowel form of “U” in the middle.

Fatah (َ ) is short “a”, Kasra (ِ )is short “i” or “e”, Dhamma ( ُ ) is a short “u”, Sukuun (ْ ) is a definite stop, etc. This was all invented because the quran is supposed to be read in a certain way or it becomes, in effect, invalid reading.
 
I am not familiar enough with Aramaic diacritics to say yes or no, but there is no Rvoso/Rvasa diacritic in Arabic. It’s definitely a Fatah indicating a short “a”. Arabic has no “V” sound and any translation/transliteration must make use of the F’aa or B’aa. Perhaps you’re drawing in some Farsi or something? Rvasa sounds Hindi or perhaps Urdu?
No, no Farsi or anything else. I am well familiar with the Arabic and that’s not in question. It was only the vowelling in the Aramaic. The rvoso/rvasa (sometimes rendered rbhoso/rhvasa) yields an “eh” sound like the seghol (or sereh) in Hebrew.
 
No, no Farsi or anything else. I am well familiar with the Arabic and that’s not in question. It was only the vowelling in the Aramaic. The rvoso/rvasa (sometimes rendered rbhoso/rhvasa) yields an “eh” sound like the seghol (or sereh) in Hebrew.
Ah, OK. I have no familiarity with Aramaic to say. The “v” was throwing me off.

I was simply speaking on the Arabic. In all honesty, I think most native English speakers would be largely unable to make a distinction between Y’ and Ye-- particularly if they’re originally from the South. (When I learned Arabic my Southern roots shone through with me having no understanding of why a short vowel couldn’t be whatever you want it to be, nor understanding the audio difference between a and e or e and i 😛 )
 
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