Jesus4Sharia

[staffsgt7]

Even I am having a hard time choking this one down… those barbaric laws that ok atrocious behavior towards non-Muslims and even their own women, they are starting up a new campaign of Jesus for Sharia. But hey, no Western country demands that the Muslim countries, or Muslims who are so bold as to practice Sharia laws in the West, be held responsible for anything so this doesn’t surprise me in some ways.

Jesus 4 Sharia
December 7, 2009
By admin
Sharia loving Muslims of the UK, will just not give up. Their new approach is to challenge Christian and Jews on whether the true message of Jesus was Islamic Law. According to the Islamic scriptures, Jesus will come back and destroy Christianity. Then he will place the world under Islamic Law. Muslims are going to be in for the shock of their lives!

THE BIG DEBATE :: JESUS4SHARIAH (18/12/09)

Jesus4Shariah Campaign

Jesus (Eesa (as)) was the penultimate Prophet sent by God (Allah) to bring mankind out of the darkness and hegemony of man-made law, into the perfection and beauty of divine law.

Sadly, his character is one of the most controversial in the world today, with Jews rejecting him and Christians elevating him to the blasphemous status of son of God or even God Himself; Muslims on the other hand venerate him as one of the most important Messengers of God, who will return one day, break the cross and prove to the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) the truth of Islam.

In light of this, Islam4UK, a platform for Al-Muhajiroun, have decided to launch a unique campaign in the run up to Christmas, challenging Jews and in particular Christians to an open debate on the true message of Jesus.

This event has been booked for 18th December 2009, precisely one week before Christmas Day and we hereby call out to all Christian leaders in the UK to come forward and defend their claim to Jesus on this special day, if they sincerely believe they are on the truth.

If you or anyone you know are interested in participating in the debate and would like to know more about arrangements for the day please contact Abu Yahya on 07961577221.

You will also witness several articles as a precursor to this event, outlining the life of Jesus (peace be upon him) and his mission, in light of the Qur’an and Sunnah. Indeed, asMuslims we believe that Jesus was a Muslim, and moreover that if he were alive today, that he would reject the evil bureaucracy of man-made law and wholeheartedly embrace the divine law (Shari’ah)of the Final Messenger sent to the whole of mankind, Muhammad (saw).

 

[Nine_Two]

I’ve only ever met one Muslim who was truly open to debate, and he isn’t Muslim anymore.

I’ll believe they want open debate when I see it.

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

… Jesus (Eesa (as)) was the penultimate Prophet sent by God (Allah) to bring mankind out of the darkness and hegemony of man-made law, into the perfection and beauty of divine law…

Jesus isn’t a Prophet; Jesus fulfilled prophecy. Muslims - in their haste to uphold Muhammed as a messenger of God - don’t understand prophecy and that’s why muslims can not understand Jesus.

 

[staffsgt7]

Jesus isn’t a Prophet; Jesus fulfilled prophecy. Muslims - in their haste to uphold Muhammed as a messenger of God - don’t understand prophecy and that’s why muslims can not understand Jesus.

Christians believe that Jesus resurrected from the dead and basically that is an important part of Christianity. Muslims do not believe that part of Jesus. They do not believe he is divine either.

BUT!! Somehow they just blindly accept the part where Jesus, a mere human, can resurrect himself centuries later while their own prophet has said that he is right up there with Allah and going to be there on judgement day for them. And they have bought that part ‘hook, line and sinker’ and is nothing but a rotted corpse and maybe just nothing but a few bits of bones and mostly dust can’t seem to be able to resurrect himself.

And it is ironic that the WHOLE New Testament is a totally different message than the Koran. It just doesn’t jive. They want to prove that Mohammed was prophesied using the Bible but then they say it was corrupted. What part was corrupted? Jesus didn’t do or say anything to back up Mohammed’s message.

The whole thing is mind boggling to me. I can’t see how any of them can justify what Islam is all about.

Now wait for all the abrogated surahs to be quoted if they bother to respond to this thread. I can do without those surahs.

 

[staffsgt7]

I’ve only ever met one Muslim who was truly open to debate, and he isn’t Muslim anymore.

I’ll believe they want open debate when I see it.

Did you change his mind? If so, what did you say that changed him? Or was he on the edge anyway and ready to jump out of Islam? Just curiosity questions.

 

[dzheremi]

What a bunch of garbage. I hope they go bankrupt with these stupid events. If I was a Christian leader in the UK, I would definitely be planning a competing event to occur during Ramadan to eviscerate this idea that Islam is somehow connected to Christianity beyond all its blatant and pathetic thievery and incorporation of Gnostic heresy. Free food and drink for all who attend, and if any Muslim complains about the “disrespect” to the Muslim fast, they’ll be reminded that planning anti-Christian “debates” (Islamist pep-rallies) during the Christmas season is not the way to show your respect to the Christian community of the country. You don’t get respect just because you want it, and you CERTAINLY don’t get it by trying to call Christians out on what we believe (all this talk about “defend your position if you believe you are true” or whatever rubs me the wrong way…it’s traditional to call an enemy to Islam before commencing hostilities against them, no? as per Muhammad?)

A million thumbs down on this one.

 

[hamba2han]

Ye shall know them by their fruits … Matthew 7:16

I very much doubt that Christians would be able to tell what are the things about Sharia law which contradicts the things that are taught in their own Bible.

For instance, if Christians say that the Church forbids usury, then why should they oppose establishing a Sharia-based economic system which actually forbids usury?

Instead, many Christians would prefer to continue using a usury-based economic system which has brought the whole world to the brink of financial meltdown.

And the same goes for the other things about Sharia law.

If Christians are completely honest about it, they will quickly realize that there is virtually nothing about Sharia law which contradicts the things that are taught in their own scriptures.

Why then do Christians oppose it?

The answer is not difficult to figure out → Pride and prejudice.

 

[MrZetterlund]

Ha! I laugh…

I owned a Muslum in a debate not too long ago. Easily proved Jesus’ divinity. Muhammed, I think, had no idea what he was talking about.

 

[ralphinal]

Ye shall know them by their fruits … Matthew 7:16

I very much doubt that Christians would be able to tell what are the things about Sharia law which contradicts the things that are taught in their own Bible.

For instance, if Christians say that the Church forbids usury, then why should they oppose establishing a Sharia-based economic system which actually forbids usury?

Instead, many Christians would prefer to continue using a usury-based economic system which has brought the whole world to the brink of financial meltdown.

And the same goes for the other things about Sharia law.

If Christians are completely honest about it, they will quickly realize that there is virtually nothing about Sharia law which contradicts the things that are taught in their own scriptures.

Why then do Christians oppose it?

The answer is not difficult to figure out → Pride and prejudice.

Jizya tax, no ability to freely teach the TRUTH aboud God and Jesus Christ, no rights for women…

 

[staffsgt7]

Ye shall know them by their fruits … Matthew 7:16

I very much doubt that Christians would be able to tell what are the things about Sharia law which contradicts the things that are taught in their own Bible.

For instance, if Christians say that the Church forbids usury, then why should they oppose establishing a Sharia-based economic system which actually forbids usury?

Instead, many Christians would prefer to continue using a usury-based economic system which has brought the whole world to the brink of financial meltdown.

And the same goes for the other things about Sharia law.

If Christians are completely honest about it, they will quickly realize that there is virtually nothing about Sharia law which contradicts the things that are taught in their own scriptures.

Why then do Christians oppose it?

The answer is not difficult to figure out → Pride and prejudice.

The fruits of Islam is hatred, chaos and death. Funny you should post that. There is nothing wrong with knowing what Islam teaches and what it is about. But Sharia laws forbid any non-Muslim from discussing Islam.

‘pride and prejudice’ is the very reason why ANYONE should oppose them. Unfortunately for you I have the book of Sharia laws and I know what it contains. The pride and prejudice comes from Islam.

barbaric laws concerning thieves, people who commit petty crimes, or personal crimes. Barbaric laws concerning raped victims. Barbaric laws concerning children, or even a whole country when being controlled by barbaric thugs. Barbaric laws concerning anyone who is not a Muslim and the call to violence and it being holy.

I could go on until I realized that no matter what we said about these laws, because some guy with a lot of psychological problems said they were from him, or his God, you guys just refuse to think and just blindly accept atrocities just because of this refusal to think. And that is another thing wrong with those laws, they warn against thinking. Ironic that a God gives you the ability to think but Mohammed said it should not be done. Why is that? Could Mohammed not handle the thinking man and woman?

 

[Sibylla]

I heard about this. One has to laugh at them sometimes. What else are they going to try?

They even tried to pull the “3 faiths 1 God” idea. If that were true then they wouldn’t know the concept of “Kuffar” or non-believers in “allah” which they claim means God, but it doesn’t. Allah was the name of one of the 360 pagan gods of Arabia.

This won’t last. As far as I know it was Jesus who said to those stone throwers to throw a stone if there were free of sin and so they walked away. For Muslims many sharia violations are punishable by stoning or other gruesome methods.

Both incompatible. Muhammad was a murderer who spoke with an Angel and even spoke the words of Satan (though these verses were later abridged). Jesus was and is a savior. So it is murder versus Savior. How can you put them in the same sentence? How can they think that anyone with any morality would even believe this?

 

[ahollars]

I still laugh at the notion that Islam refuses to admit that Jesus was actually crucified, and modern apologists try to deny that the Quran says it, but the words are in there plain as day:

“That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): ‘We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.’ But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them.”

Koran Sura 4:156-159

See the rest of the lunacy here.

They are destined to lose, and not even their rapid birth rate is saving them.

 

[staffsgt7]

I was just watching the SYFY movie called ‘Alice’. I found a lot of parallels to Islam. Alice, at the end, is trying to tell the ones who are mindless to ‘wake up’, ‘this is real’, etc. And they are mindless over a drug (Islam). They have been culled into not thinking. The Islamic clerics are the guys who play the spades.

And the woman (I find this an interesting parallel too) Alice, is their ‘savior’.

 

[hamba2han]

For anyone who is objecting to the imposition of jizya on non-Muslims, then I would say that in today’s world, everyone (non-Muslims and Muslims alike) is, either directly or indirectly, paying much more due to usury than non-Muslims would be required to pay the jizya tax under Sharia… and so, I do not see what the hullabaloo is.

Besides, Muslims are required to pay zakat which often can be a great deal more than jizya.

As for the supposed mistreatment of women under Sharia, the fact that most people in the West who are reverting to Islam are women, is in itself clear testimony that this is completely untrue.

BTW, there are unfortunately many Muslims too who do not wish to see Sharia law established… and they are the misguided souls who somehow fear having to change their Westernized lifestyles.

 

[dzheremi]

For anyone who is objecting to the imposition of jizya on non-Muslims, then I would say that in today’s world, everyone (non-Muslims and Muslims alike) is, either directly or indirectly, paying much more due to usury than non-Muslims would be required to pay the jizya tax under Sharia… and so, I do not see what the hullabaloo is.

Besides, Muslims are required to pay zakat which often can be a great deal more than jizya.

As for the supposed mistreatment of women under Sharia, the fact that most people in the West who are reverting to Islam are women, is in itself clear testimony that this is completely untrue.

BTW, there are unfortunately many Muslims too who do not wish to see Sharia law established… and they are the misguided souls who somehow fear having to change their Westernized lifestyles.

You are obviously here to disturb rather than to discuss, but I feel compelled to mention that it is not even the total given over to Jizya that is the problem (though it was apparently too much for many people, so it IS exploitative even if we just look at it economically). The problem that makes so many Christians so angry about jizya is that it is to be paid in a humiliating fashion so that we feel ourselves subdued to the Muslim power of the state. It makes us slaves and guests in our own lands, living at the fake benevolence of Islamic rulers who see us as nothing more than a servile people who are only valuable economically. It is harshly-imposed faux “citizenship” which is not the basis for any sort of fair system. If Muslims were required to pay something similar to live in the nominally Christian West, you can bet they would be up in arms about it and we’d never hear the end of how “unjust” it is.

The fact that you don’t see what the “hullabaloo” is all about boggles my mind.

 

[staffsgt7]

You are obviously here to disturb rather than to discuss, but I feel compelled to mention that it is not even the total given over to Jizya that is the problem (though it was apparently too much for many people, so it IS exploitative even if we just look at it economically). The problem that makes so many Christians so angry about jizya is that it is to be paid in a humiliating fashion so that we feel ourselves subdued to the Muslim power of the state. It makes us slaves and guests in our own lands, living at the fake benevolence of Islamic rulers who see us as nothing more than a servile people who are only valuable economically. It is harshly-imposed faux “citizenship” which is not the basis for any sort of fair system. If Muslims were required to pay something similar to live in the nominally Christian West, you can bet they would be up in arms about it and we’d never hear the end of how “unjust” it is.

The fact that you don’t see what the “hullabaloo” is all about boggles my mind.

Yeah, and in Sharia laws it states that it isn’t so much the money that is the issue but to make them feel subdued. They have no rights except they can practice their religion but must show an outward mark that they are dhimmi and have strict rules to abide by when in public. They cannot build or repair churches and if a Muslim does anything to them then they have absolutely no rights.

The only law that makes sense in regards to dhimmi is the part where they cannot serve in the Islamic military. Why would a dhimmi want to just kill others because they are not Muslims?

I have heard this excuse about taxes from Muslims before and it is not accurate at all.

I recommend that everyone buy a book on their Sharia laws and find out for yourself. It certainly is easier to read than that book from their God! (I wonder what grade Allah successfully passed!) My nephew in 6th grade writes better than Allah.

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

… BTW, there are unfortunately many Muslims too who do not wish to see Sharia law established…

That’s because they can see that countries that use Sharia law are impoverished and intolerant - a breeding ground for tyranny and terror.

Would you like to see Sharia law in Australia? You’ve got two chances of that ever happening; Yours and Buckley’s.

 

[hamba2han]

These tent-dwellers in Sacramento, California would very likely not have lost their homes if there had been a Sharia-based economic system in place instead of a usury-based one.



When a usury-based economic system is responsible for bringing suffering and hardship to literally millions of people all over the world, why then do people still prefer to continue using such a system rather than switch to a Sharia-based economic system which prohibits usury altogether?

 

[ralphinal]

These tent-dwellers in Sacramento, California would very likely not have lost their homes if there had been a Sharia-based economic system in place instead of a usury-based one.

http://www.foxnews.com/images/522855/0_61_032509_tentcity.jpg

When a usury-based economic system is responsible for bringing suffering and hardship to literally millions of people all over the world, why then do people still prefer to continue using such a system rather than switch to a Sharia-based economic system which prohibits usury altogether?

There is an old American saying: I would rather die standing than live with a boot on my throat.

Keep your oppressive laws.

 

[ralphinal]

“They can take our land, but they canno take our freedom!!”

Wait, wrong part of the British Isles…