Jesus4Sharia

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If Arabic speaking Christians in Muslim controlled nations aren’t allowed to call God “Allah”, which they had been doing for centuries before Islam even existed, why then are Muslims, especially in (nominally, anyway, at least) Christian nations allowed to exploit the name of Jesus for their nefarious purposes??? I just LOVE the double standards!!! :mad::rolleyes:

In Christ,

Ellen
 
I was working on my history minor when it came out. I recall a professor of mine saying the only things they got right were houses, costumes, and weapons.

The Brits were put on that Island for a reason. 😛 Whoops, that is the Irishman in me coming out.
But getting back to hammy’s nonsense, why should any of us who are non-Muslim wish to live under a system where we would be forbidden to publically practise our religion or to display pork or wine etc? No such rules exsist for Muslims living in the west and as ALLGIRLS says therefore your posts smack of double standards.
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The more I think about it, the more I think that Muslims, God bless them, are so caught up in BEING in Islam that they cannot think critically about it at all. Anyone looking at it objectively would say “Hey, that is oppression.”

My favorite example is that there is no compulsion in religion. Now, if you leave Islam, you are to be killed, non-believers are given second class status, etc. But, there is no compulsion in religion
 
People who are fearful about the jizya do not realize that they have indeed become the indebted slaves to those who control the world’s economy i.e. the banking elite.

Find out what people like Alex Jones are telling you i.e. it is in fact their plan to cause a global economic collapse as a means to bring in the New World Order and henceforth implement their “solution” to the problems which they themselves have engineered.

Sharia law would be like the rays of the Sun to these Count Dracula-type vampires i.e. they simply cannot survive in a Sharia-based economy.
 
hamba2han said:
People who are fearful about the jizya do not realize that they have indeed become the indebted slaves to those who control the world’s economy i.e. the banking elite.

Find out what people like Alex Jones are telling you i.e. it is in fact their plan to cause a global economic collapse as a means to bring in the New World Order and henceforth implement their “solution” to the problem which they themselves have engineered.

Sharia law would be like the rays of the Sun to these Count Dracula-type vampires i.e. they simply cannot survive in a Sharia-based economy.
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So we’re supposed to trade one form (in your opinion) of enslavement for another, more gentler (in your opinion) form? No thank you. I’ll fight against both.

And of course they can’t survive in a Sharia based economy. Few nonMuslims can survive life under Sharia law, period! That’s not something you should be bragging about!

In Christ,

Ellen
 
Sharia did nothing for Middle East economy before the discovery of oil.

It is the oil that has created wealth in Muslim countries; Sharia impoverishes you, and there are many still living in tents in the Middle East in your cities and in the countryside.

Open your mind to other worlds out there.
 
And the true Jesus that is our heritage said that the poor would always be with us.

Without the poor, we would be a most selfish people. God allows us to share our generosity with them.

Catholicism and America have given more to poverty and the needs of humanity that you have no generosity to compare Muslim countries or Sharia with us.

It is a known fact that most violence and impoverishment is done by Muslims against Muslims.

Sorry, Hamba, you are wrong.
 
hamba2han said:
People who are fearful about the jizya do not realize that they have indeed become the indebted slaves to those who control the world’s economy i.e. the banking elite.

Find out what people like Alex Jones are telling you i.e. it is in fact their plan to cause a global economic collapse as a means to bring in the New World Order and henceforth implement their “solution” to the problems which they themselves have engineered.

Sharia law would be like the rays of the Sun to these Count Dracula-type vampires i.e. they simply cannot survive in a Sharia-based economy.
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Can anybody who isn’t a muslim survive in a Sharia-based economy?
 
And the Christians not only were taxed in Bosnia, but their eldest or brightest son was taken from them as child tax and made into a Muslim militant.

Our economy atleast does not make classes of dhimmis who have to get out of the way for Muslims…
 
i’m sorry, but…

loving your neoghbors, loving your enemies, forgiving those who wrong you, turning the other cheek, and humbling yourself like Christ can never be on par with Sharia, or even sail in the same boat…

arguments about crimes perpetrated against Muslims by Christians, or vise versa don’t change this. arguments about the Crusades don’t change this.

Jesus is not for Sharia. nor is He a slave of Allah, or a forerunner of Mohammad. the values of Sharia Law have no place with or near the most basic ethical and social teachings of Christ.

countries where Sharia Law is currently being implemented in some form (even regionally) uniformly stink for non-Muslim minorities.

i’m not talking about any and every Muslim majority nation, but about those nations which seek to implement Sharia nationally, as public policy and not just as a religious option alongside secular options.

ask Christians in Pakistan what it is like living under the shadow of Sharia in increasingly conservative parts of that country. an accusation of blasphemy can earn you a kidnapping, a loss of one’s job, death threats, rape, a burnt church, a dead loved one, or a ransacked house. yet it is perfpectly legal and acceptable there for Muslims to ridicule, demean, protest, and silence Christians and Christian beliefs.
 
So lets say theoretically a secular state decided to adopt Sharia law (and forgetting that by that action it cannot, by definition, be secular). Who gets the money collected?
 
staffsgt7 said:
Even I am having a hard time choking this one down… those barbaric laws that ok atrocious behavior towards non-Muslims and even their own women, they are starting up a new campaign of Jesus for Sharia. But hey, no Western country demands that the Muslim countries, or Muslims who are so bold as to practice Sharia laws in the West, be held responsible for anything so this doesn’t surprise me in some ways.
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What does the Bible say about them?

1 John 2:22 Who is a Liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ(Messiah)? He is Antichrist, that denieth the Father(God) and the Son(Jesus).

There’s nothing controversial here. The Bible openly declares islam to be Anti-Christ for their denial of Jesus’ deity.

And for those of you who wishes to know more, try this:

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

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I do see Issa as the AntiChrist, Muhammed, the false prophet, and the beast, --the Red Dragon-- …Red China.
 
There are many things which would make a Sharia-based economic system a totally non-hospitable place for ‘Count Dracula’-type vampires, no matter how rich and powerful they may be and the following are just a few of the things which would put people like the Bilderburg Group completely out of business in no time at all:
  1. **Circulation of wealth is a duty
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    The Qur’an emphasizes that the wealth should not circulate amongst the few, Allah (swt) says referring to wealth:
“That it does not become a commodity between the rich among you.” … [Surah Al-Hashr: 7]

Islam has made the circulation of wealth between all citizens an obligation, and it has forbidden the restriction of such circulation to a certain group of people to the exclusion of others.

Hoarding/monopolizing goods is forbidden. Producers or retailers cannot hoard or monopolize goods in order to cause the price to rise. This is based on the ahadith: “The Messenger of Allah (saw) forbade that a foodstuff be monopolized.” [Athram] and “Whoever monopolized is a wrongdoer.” [Muslim].
  1. Prohibition of usury
“Allah has permitted trade and forbidden (all) interest.” … [Surah Al-Baqarah: 275]
  1. It is prohibited to sell what you don’t have
Unlike today where we see short selling or forward selling, where people sell what they don’t yet own

Islam makes it a requirement for traders to own currencies, instruments and commodities before selling them. It is narrated from Hakeem bin Hazam (ra) who said: “I said: O Messenger of Allah, there comes to me a man asking me to sell what I do not have to sell then I buy if from the market. He said: Do not sell what you do not have” [Ahmad]
  1. The Gold & Silver standard for currency
The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) established the basis of the Islamic currency, the Dirham and the Dinar upon these tangible things which hold real value and retain value. The Islamic rules have been set in the Quran and Sunnah in terms of Gold and Silver such as the Nisab of Zakah.

It is allowed to have paper notes as long as they are backed by Gold and Silver. Therefore inflation is eliminated as the value of gold and silver are stable. The Islamic state cannot just simply print money as they do today without any asset backing, or create money out of thin air!

And so then, these are just a few of the things which would surely solve much of the financial crisis the world is now facing and instead of turning to billions if not trillions of dollars of bailouts from tax payers money in order to save their collapsing financial system, people should realise that Islam offers the world a practical alternative.
 
Hamba 2,

Currency here is on same line of thinking…consider the gold standard…production valued with currency…nothing new here under the sun.
 
KathleenGee said:
Hamba 2,

Currency here is on same line of thinking…consider the gold standard…production valued with currency…nothing new here under the sun.
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Kathleen, the economic problems that we face today owes more to greed and a lack of morals and ethics than anything else and merely going back to the gold standard alone will not take care of this mess.

Sharia-based economics offers the complete package to tackle and solve the world’s economic woes.

And as I have mentioned before, Christians have no real reason to oppose a Sharia-based economic system since virtually nothing of it contradicts what is taught in Christian scriptures.
 
hamba2han said:
Kathleen, the economic problems that we face today owes more to greed and a lack of morals and ethics than anything else and merely going back to the gold standard alone will not take care of this mess.

Sharia-based economics offers the complete package to tackle and solve the world’s economic woes.

And as I have mentioned before, Christians have no real reason to oppose a Sharia-based economic system since virtually nothing of it contradicts what is taught in Christian scriptures.
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Yeah, the complete package of the appointment of lackees that no one has any say about except some crooked Wahabbi/Muslim Brotherhood appointee - both terrorist funding organizations, the financing of terrorists, and seditious underpinnings that Sharia finance has at its base.

And catering to one ideological group to say the least.

This should be outlawed and any sane citizen, or business, that partakes should just hand over their kids to Islam and their cruelties.

www.stopshariahnow.com

Morals in a Muslim country are even worse than in any other country since they just label their immoral acts as good and holy. Label a one year old as a wife, and then they can ‘have at her’. Label a human being as a dhimmi and then they can be guaranteed a total lack of rights - except to continue to be an unbeliever - and just expect that they have sentenced themselves and future generations to a type of slavery, and that reminds me… slavery is still ok in Islam. Yep, talk about morals. Since their man Mohammed had slaves, said it was ok they still have slaves. Castrate the little boys either partially or fully, start ‘sexing’ up the little girls and sell them to some and they can take them home and abuse them any way they want to since a slave has no right.

Most of them are later cast off and since they cannot fend for themselves in an Islamic country they are left to starve and be homeless. That is if they survive the abuse while they live. Some are even taken to our Western countries and as we have some sitting in prisons for practicing their slavery in our lands. Those are the ones that have been caught.
 
Hamba, you didn’t answer my question. Who gets the money collected?
 
More from the Jesus4sharia group.

I notice how they are starting this around the Christian’s Christmas season. Of course, no one makes a peep about their warrior’s holiday called Ramadan, or the breaking of the ‘fast and gourge’ Ramadan with Eid. Maybe we should start researching these Eids of theirs and at least one of them is a celebration of a battle after they killed, enslaved, looted a group of people.

Can you imagine a people who has redefined another group’s religion to a point that they have made their Jesus into something that he never said or did in their own teachings? That is what Muslims have done - made Jesus into a hateful entity just like their Allah and Mohammed. Someone that they denied arose from the dead, even though secular sources verified it. BUT, will come later and rise from the dead to serve their purposes of killing Jews and Christians for them. I don’t know how they can justify someone they claim is a mere mortal can just bring himself back from the dead and do things that even their ‘great one’, Mohammed, cannot do. Mohammed, the guy who put himself alongside their god to judge them later on.

This is too much like a bad story line that cannot be rated because it would fall below the ratings that are recognized.
 
Nine_Two said:
Hamba, you didn’t answer my question. Who gets the money collected?
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In an Islamic state, it would be the Bayt al-mal which is an Arabic term that is translated as “House of money” or "House of Wealth.

This would be the modern-day treasury and in a secular state, I suppose the most important thing is that it would be administered by people who fear God more than anything in this world since the punishment for their wrongdoing in the Hereafter is not worth anything that this world can offer.
 
hamba2han said:
In an Islamic state, it would be the Bayt al-mal which is an Arabic term that is translated as “House of money” or "House of Wealth.

This would be the modern-day treasury and in a secular state, I suppose the most important thing is that it would be administered by people who fear God more than anything in this world since the punishment for their wrongdoing in the Hereafter is not worth anything that this world can offer.
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And I assume that when you say “people who fear God” you mean Moslems?

Why on earth do you think we would voluntarily accept subjegation by a people so dishonest that they have lying enshrined in their moral code?
 
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