Jesus's claims to divinity?

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=heiscominginthe;5169306]Is it not written that the body has many parts and the head is the more important part, but all parts serve for the whole?
Certainly the believers are what is spoken in scripture as the bride of Christ. For it is the believers, all believers, not just those in the CC who make up the body of the church. The church is not just one man, one group of men, one denomination. The church is all who have been born again by faith in the Son of God.
It has nothing to do with water baptism, for a man is saved by grace alone. If a man claims that he must have water baptism to be saved, then he is going against scripture, for it is written we are saved by grace alone.
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NIV Catholic Bible:


John 3: 5 "Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”

KJV Bible

John 3:5 “Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”

Friend, if you insist on Pontificating, please refer to your bible first.👍
 
Is not Jesus Christ the door on which we enter by faith? Is it not written that he is the head of the church?
Another reality for you to consider… your quote above is not compatible with what you said in a previous post that “Christ is the Church, the Word of God”… as this continues to point out your erroneous method of being your own pope (final interpreter of God’s word).
 
Is it not written that the body has many parts and the head is the more important part, but all parts serve for the whole?

Certainly the believers are what is spoken in scripture as the bride of Christ. For it is the believers, all believers, not just those in the CC who make up the body of the church. The church is not just one man, one group of men, one denomination. The church is all who have been born again by faith in the Son of God.

It has nothing to do with water baptism, for a man is saved by grace alone. If a man claims that he must have water baptism to be saved, then he is going against scripture, for it is written we are saved by grace alone.
It’s truly sad that someone who says they love Christ has so fouled the truth about Christ with their own wishes and ill conceived notions.

You said “Christ is the Church, the Word of God”. Then above you say the Church is the Believers… so, one place you misspoke, changed your interpretation because you saw it was wrong, or just lied to us. How can you possibly claim the Holy Spirit is leading you into these interpretations, unless you are blaspheming? Truly, Jesus is the Head of the Church. The Church is His mystical Body, His Bride… just like we’ve been telling you.

The question you also didn’t answer is why do you sacrifice truth at the altar of your personal interpretations? Evidence is plainly that you are committed to your own pride of authorship, more than listening to God. It is sad when you and others invent their own interpretation of the written word in the Scriptures, then attribute your false interpretations to God. That is sinful. Then you top it off with the arrogance of telling Christ’s Church whom He guides, and therefore are telling Christ that He is wrong.

Grace is imparted through Baptism. In addition, if you’re not Baptized, then you’re not a Christian. The “good news” for you would be that you are not a heretic, just wayward. Only Baptized Christians can be heretics.

If you’re not in the Catholic Church, then you’re not formal member of His Mystical Body. It’s also silly logic to claim that you’re in the Bride of Christ, therefore you can’t denigrate the Bride of Christ with your words.
 
This saving grace is imparted to us through Baptism. We cannot change the way that Jesus chose to save us.

We are saved (made His disciples) through Baptism.

Matthew 28:19 “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”

It is up to us to obey His command to be baptized if we desire to be saved.

Acts 22:16 “And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.’”

“Calling on the name of the Lord” is “I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” while pouring water over a person’s forehead.

You cannot change 2000 years of Biblical history and Church practice just because you personally have decided that it is not true. It’s not the Church that is in error, it is you.

Pax,
SHW
It is up to us to obey His command to be baptized if we desire to be saved.
You are so close to the truth. You know it is through baptism a man is saved/born again, yet you choose to believe it is water and not blood that saves a man.
“Calling on the name of the Lord” is “I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” while pouring water over a person’s forehead.
Show me this in the bible. It is not there.
You cannot change 2000 years of Biblical history and Church practice just because you personally have decided that it is not true. It’s not the Church that is in error, it is you.
This according to the CC, but not supported by scripture.
 
It’s truly sad that someone who says they love Christ has so fouled the truth about Christ with their own wishes and ill conceived notions.

You said “Christ is the Church, the Word of God”. Then above you say the Church is the Believers… so, one place you misspoke, changed your interpretation because you saw it was wrong, or just lied to us. How can you possibly claim the Holy Spirit is leading you into these interpretations, unless you are blaspheming? Truly, Jesus is the Head of the Church. The Church is His mystical Body, His Bride… just like we’ve been telling you.
Jesus is indeed the head of the church. And all who believe in him enter in at that door who is Christ, being saved by faith and becoming part of the church. As for changing anything, it is your interpretation of what I wrote that is in err. You cannot understand my writing anymore then you understand the Word of God. If you understood the Word of God, you would understand what I have written. For is comes from that same spirit of truth, the Holy Spirit.
 
You are so close to the truth. You know it is through baptism a man is saved/born again, yet you choose to believe it is water and not blood that saves a man.
The Blood of Christ saves. Christ imparts this salvation to our souls through the sacrament of Baptism. He chose to impart it to us in this manner. We obey His command. Baptism regenerates us spiritually because of this very fact.

Titus 3:5 “not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy **He saved us, through the washing of regeneration **and renewing of the Holy Spirit,”

This is Baptism. This is being “born again.”

“God” did not send you to this forum in order to preach erroneous doctrines to us. If indeed, God did send you here, it is in order for you to learn the truth of His gospel, so that you do not continue to believe your own interpretations of His gospel which are definitely not true.

Pax,
SHW
 
In reference to your post 143, and others, please be decent enough to post properly here. You tend not to post properly, and post 143 is just one step worse than normal in that your falsehoods cannot be quoted by linking back to them. For instance, in 143, you put quotes inside my quotes and left nothing in the actual posting block, and no links available to the “quote of yourself”. One has to be creative in making some reference in response.

Secondly, you are deeply in trouble with this spirit guide you claim is the Lord.😦 You are claiming that the Lord is manifesting Himself to you, and teaching you things that oppose the Church He built, and oppose what the Holy Spirit has taught and protected for almost 2,000 years.:confused: Satan appears as a spirit of light, and fools many. Mohammad was fooled by his spirit guide and created his own distortion of Christianity as well.:eek: I think you need serious help here. Please don’t let the spirit of evil draw you away from Christ.:tsktsk: I’ll pray for you. :gopray2: What you need most is exactly what Satan wants to keep you from, namely God’s One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church!:extrahappy:
 
The Blood of Christ saves. Christ imparts this salvation to our souls through the sacrament of Baptism. He chose to impart it to us in this manner. We obey His command. Baptism regenerates us spiritually because of this very fact.

Titus 3:5 “not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy **He saved us, through the washing of regeneration **and renewing of the Holy Spirit,”

This is Baptism. This is being “born again.”

“God” did not send you to this forum in order to preach erroneous doctrines to us. If indeed, God did send you here, it is in order for you to learn the truth of His gospel, so that you do not continue to believe your own interpretations of His gospel which are definitely not true.

Pax,
SHW
You call what I preach as erroneous, but yet not one of you have debunked it.

It is the baptism through blood that saves a man. Water baptism is symbolic of the baptism that saves us. Water does not actually save, it is the symbol of what saves us.

Ephesians 1:7 in whom we have our redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace,

Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

1 Peter 1:2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, that you may obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with his blood: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ, his Son, cleanses us from all sin.

Revelation 7:14 I told him, “My lord, you know.” He said to me, "These are those who came out of the great tribulation. They washed their robes, and made them white in the Lamb’s blood.

Revelation 12:11 They overcame him because of the Lamb’s blood, and because of the word of their testimony. They didn’t love their life, even to death.
 
You call what I preach as erroneous, but yet not one of you have debunked it.

It is the baptism through blood that saves a man. Water baptism is symbolic of the baptism that saves us. Water does not actually save, it is the symbol of what saves us.

Ephesians 1:7 in whom we have our redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace,

Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

1 Peter 1:2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, that you may obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with his blood: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ, his Son, cleanses us from all sin.

Revelation 7:14 I told him, “My lord, you know.” He said to me, "These are those who came out of the great tribulation. They washed their robes, and made them white in the Lamb’s blood.

Revelation 12:11 They overcame him because of the Lamb’s blood, and because of the word of their testimony. They didn’t love their life, even to death.
Yet, none of these refutes the Catholic teaching and practice of Baptism. Baptism is remission of original sin, and is not symbolic but Sacramental. Catholics practice what Christ taught and left with those who He sent to continue His mission.

Baptism from John was symbolic, as it was only water. Many things of the OT were symbolic or prefiguring. However, John’s Baptism was not the New Covenant Baptism.

Why do you disagree with Christ, Who said as recorded by inspired Catholic author John “Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”

You have been refuted, but your pride will hear none of it!
 
Yet, none of these refutes the Catholic teaching and practice of Baptism. Baptism is remission of original sin, and is not symbolic but Sacramental. Catholics practice what Christ taught and left with those who He sent to continue His mission.

Baptism from John was symbolic, as it was only water. Many things of the OT were symbolic or prefiguring. However, John’s Baptism was not the New Covenant Baptism.

Why do you disagree with Christ, Who said as recorded by inspired Catholic author John “Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”

You have been refuted, but your pride will hear none of it!
Listen to your very words. The bible says water is symbolic. You claim it is not. Whom do you suppose I will believe, you or the Word of God. You don’t have understanding for this reason. You are trapped within an interpretation of a man, not of God.

2 Cor. 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
 
Listen to your very words. The bible says water is symbolic. You claim it is not. Whom do you suppose I will believe, you or the Word of God. You don’t have understanding for this reason. You are trapped within an interpretation of a man, not of God.

2 Cor. 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Please go back and reread what I wrote, as many times as is necessary to understand.

The baptism by water that is symbolic in the Scriptures was only the Baptism done by John. His was a foreshadowing of the real to come.

Christ instituted Baptism by water and the Holy Spirit to take away original sin, and His Church continues to perform this Sacrament and teach Baptism correctly. Baptism is the entrance ticket into His Church. If you are not baptized, you are not in His Church, and are not Christian.

It is sadly projection by you who discuss being trapped by men’s interpretations. The Church built by God has always taught that Baptism is a real Sacrament and not symbolic, as the Holy Spirit has protected. Therefore, you agree with other wayward men, but disagree with God and His Church on this.

Why do you disagree with Christ, Who said as recorded by inspired Catholic author John “Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”

You have been refuted by the teaching of the Holy Spirit, but your human pride will hear none of it!
 
Listen to your very words. The bible says water is symbolic. You claim it is not. Whom do you suppose I will believe, you or the Word of God. You don’t have understanding for this reason. You are trapped within an interpretation of a man, not of God.
He was talking about the baptism of John. John the Baptizer was baptizing for repentance before Jesus entered the baptismal waters, and joined His Spirit to them.
2 Cor. 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
So, when did this occur? Since all the Early Church fathers beleived that baptism is the manner in which we are born again of water and Spirit, do you think the Apostles botched it, or was it those they trained? Perhaps Timothy, Titus, and the next generation of bishops?
 
He was talking about the baptism of John. John the Baptizer was baptizing for repentance before Jesus entered the baptismal waters, and joined His Spirit to them.
When Jesus said a man must be born again, he was not referring to the flesh, but the spirit. For a man is born once in the flesh and then he dies. Jesus said a man must be born again to enter the kingdom of God. He was referring to the spirit/soul of a man that was once alive, but was slain by sin. If the spirit of a man remains dead in him till the time of physical death, because his spirit/soul is dead, it is taken to where those who die in sin are reserved until the day of judgement.

That is why it is so important a man is born again, made alive again in his spirit. That is the only way a man can get to heaven.
So, when did this occur? Since all the Early Church fathers beleived that baptism is the manner in which we are born again of water and Spirit, do you think the Apostles botched it, or was it those they trained? Perhaps Timothy, Titus, and the next generation of bishops?
Where is your proof on this. All that I know comes by way of scripture. I do not see the apostles baptizing in water in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They did baptize in the name of Jesus. I do not see them laying on hands and baptizing in the name of Jesus. They did this in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.

Regardless of what you choose to believe, the apostles and all the deciples all believed a man was saved by faith, being baptized into Christ through his blood. And it says in scripture that water is the symbol of the baptism that saves us. It says it is not the washing away of sin, the putting away of the filth of the flesh. Water baptism gives a man a good conscience toward God.

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
 
You call what I preach as erroneous, but yet not one of you have debunked it.

It is the baptism through blood that saves a man. Water baptism is symbolic of the baptism that saves us. Water does not actually save, it is the symbol of what saves us.

Ephesians 1:7 in whom we have our redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace,

Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

1 Peter 1:2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, that you may obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with his blood: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ, his Son, cleanses us from all sin.

Revelation 7:14 I told him, “My lord, you know.” He said to me, "These are those who came out of the great tribulation. They washed their robes, and made them white in the Lamb’s blood.

Revelation 12:11 They overcame him because of the Lamb’s blood, and because of the word of their testimony. They didn’t love their life, even to death.
We have showed you over and over exactly what Baptism is and what it does, using Scripture as proof. You refuse to believe.

Put all of the Scriptures together and you will get the “WHOLE” picture of Salvation. You cannot pick and choose a few verses and then claim that according to your interpretation of these verses that Catholics are wrong. No one gave you the authority to interpret Scripture. Jesus gave it to the Catholic Church alone. Luke 10:16

Baptism applies the merits of Jesus’ blood sacrifice to our souls and this Baptism removes all sins, both original and personal, at the time of our Baptisms. Simple to understand.

Galatians 3:27 “For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.”

1 Peter 3:21 " There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,"

This is Baptism which removes sins from our souls. It is not a bath that removes dirt from our skin but is instead a washing away of sin from our souls which gives us a good conscience before God. This Baptism saves us because Jesus uses this water to remove the sins from our souls when the names of God are invoked at this same time.

Acts 22:16 “And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.”

Pax,
SHW
 
We have showed you over and over exactly what Baptism is and what it does, using Scripture as proof. You refuse to believe.

Put all of the Scriptures together and you will get the “WHOLE” picture of Salvation. You cannot pick and choose a few verses and then claim that according to your interpretation of these verses that Catholics are wrong. No one gave you the authority to interpret Scripture. Jesus gave it to the Catholic Church alone. Luke 10:16

Baptism applies the merits of Jesus’ blood sacrifice to our souls and this Baptism removes all sins, both original and personal, at the time of our Baptisms. Simple to understand.

Galatians 3:27 “For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.”

1 Peter 3:21 " There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,"

This is Baptism which removes sins from our souls. It is not a bath that removes dirt from our skin but is instead a washing away of sin from our souls which gives us a good conscience before God. This Baptism saves us because Jesus uses this water to remove the sins from our souls when the names of God are invoked at this same time.

Acts 22:16 “And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.”

Pax,
SHW
Everything you talked about deals with salvation, the baptism of blood, not water baptism. WATER baptism saves no one. The only problem here is your denial that the power is in the blood, not the water.

Not one place in what you quoted speaks of water. You are adding to the Word of God.
 
Everything you talked about deals with salvation, the baptism of blood, not water baptism. WATER baptism saves no one. The only problem here is your denial that the power is in the blood, not the water.

Not one place in what you quoted speaks of water. You are adding to the Word of God.
You really have no clue about Baptism. This is what happens when a person picks up our Bible (2000 years after it is written by Catholics for Catholics) and then decides that he/she is smarter than the leaders of the Church that Jesus founded who have His authority and guidance to interpret Scripture infallibly. Jesus did not give this authority or ability to you or any other individual no matter how many spirits may tell you otherwise.

I don’t desire to hurt your feelings but you are wasting our time and yours. We have 2000 years of teaching authority on our side. You do not. We definitely know what Baptism is and what it does for the soul and you are not correct.

Pax,
SHW
 
Everything you talked about deals with salvation, the baptism of blood, not water baptism. WATER baptism saves no one. The only problem here is your denial that the power is in the blood, not the water.

Not one place in what you quoted speaks of water. You are adding to the Word of God.
Given the etymology of the Greek word that is translated into English as “baptism”, though, is there really significant merit to your objection?

(e.g. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism)
 
Everything you talked about deals with salvation, the baptism of blood, not water baptism. WATER baptism saves no one. The only problem here is your denial that the power is in the blood, not the water.

Not one place in what you quoted speaks of water. You are adding to the Word of God.
I think you are confusing the purpose of Baptism with the purpose of the Eucharist. If Jesus tells us that we must be Baptized by water and the Spirit to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, who are you to say otherwise? Baptism is the entrance ticket into His Church, His Kingdom on Earth. Baptism does not guarantee salvation, but gets one into the door to the means of salvation. The merits of His death on the cross are applied to our lives in our time in His Body and Blood as received in the Eucharist. All salvation relates to Baptism and the Eucharist.

It is nothing less than arrogance speaking when one who out of ignorance claims the faithful one is in error. Please become humble, and seek to follow God’s teachings, instead of trying to tell God what He taught to us.

It is further ignorance to say that Catholics deny the blood. Every day, in thousands of Catholic masses around the world (universal Church), Jesus’ sacrifice is represented, and we remember His death on the cross, eating His Body and drinking His Blood to apply the merits of His death on the cross to our lives in our time. In the Eucharist, we are in communion also with those in Heaven. His death on the cross as the real Paschal Lamb whose blood on the wood of the cross is the real sacrifice that was prefigured in the Exodus of the Jewish slaves in Egypt during the first passover where lamb’s blood on wood of the doorpost was only a sign or a symbol… a prefiguring of the real Lamb’s blood on the wood of the cross.

Please adopt some amount of humility, for your own sake… Christ comes to the humble.

He is coming to the humble.
He is not coming to the arrogant, who reject His teachings in favor of their own teachings and ideas.
 
You really have no clue about Baptism. This is what happens when a person picks up our Bible (2000 years after it is written by Catholics for Catholics) and then decides that he/she is smarter than the leaders of the Church that Jesus founded who have His authority and guidance to interpret Scripture infallibly. Jesus did not give this authority or ability to you or any other individual no matter how many spirits may tell you otherwise.

I don’t desire to hurt your feelings but you are wasting our time and yours. We have 2000 years of teaching authority on our side. You do not. We definitely know what Baptism is and what it does for the soul and you are not correct.

Pax,
SHW
You have not clue about the blood of the lamb and it’s power to wash away sin. And this authority comes by way of the Son of God, not the CC.
 
I think you are confusing the purpose of Baptism with the purpose of the Eucharist. If Jesus tells us that we must be Baptized by water and the Spirit to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, who are you to say otherwise? Baptism is the entrance ticket into His Church, His Kingdom on Earth. Baptism does not guarantee salvation, but gets one into the door to the means of salvation. The merits of His death on the cross are applied to our lives in our time in His Body and Blood as received in the Eucharist. All salvation relates to Baptism and the Eucharist.

It is further ignorance to say that Catholics deny the blood. Every day, in thousands of Catholic masses around the world (universal Church), Jesus’ sacrifice is represented, and we remember His death on the cross, eating His Body and drinking His Blood to apply the merits of His death on the cross to our lives in our time. In the Eucharist, we are in communion also with those in Heaven. His death on the cross as the real Paschal Lamb whose blood on the wood of the cross is the real sacrifice that was prefigured in the Exodus of the Jewish slaves in Egypt during the first passover where lamb’s blood on wood of the doorpost was only a sign or a symbol… a prefiguring of the real Lamb’s blood on the wood of the cross.

Please adopt some amount of humility, for your own sake… Christ comes to the humble.

He is coming to the humble.
He is not coming to the arrogant, who reject His teachings in favor of their own teachings and ideas.
You claim you understand scripture, that you have been taught by the church, but you are not correct. You have been taught by the CC, not the Church of Christ. If this was not so, then you would understand John 3 when our Lord tells us a man must be born again.

Jesus then tells Nicodemus that a man must be born of water and of spirit to enter the kingdom of God. He tells Nicodemus this because Nicodemus sees on the physical aspect of the conversation and not the spiritual aspect. Jesus wanted him to see there was more to a man then that which was flesh. Israel had become so hardened in heart, all that they knew was of the flesh.

Jesus told him a man must be born of water and of spirit to enter the kingdom of God. He was telling him a man is born in this world of the flesh, but he also must be born of spirit to enter the kingdom of God.

That is why Jesus said, that which is born of the flesh, is flesh, and that which is born of the spirit is spirit.

I am saddened that you cannot understand this simple truth, which is the very basis of the faith. For this is the cornerstone of the faith, the gospel of Jesus Christ.
 
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