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alright so I was reading BXVI Jesus of Nazareth amazon.com/Jesus-Nazareth-Entrance-Jerusalem-Resurrection/dp/1586175009/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1319592462&sr=8-2
please note this stuff isn’t my own work, or my own research, I am simply summarizing a part of the Pope’s book. (pages 213-216)
I was reading the part about Christ’s cry of abandonment on the cross, and one of the questions that come up when discussing this is that How can Jesus, who is God, feel any separation from God at all?
Now theologians have attempted to try and explain how God can have separation from God. How one of the person of the trinity, in this case the son, can feel separation from the father, if they are in union with each-other. (I know some ways theologians have tried but I’m not going to go into them) According to the pope these ideas have been approached “too narrowly individualistic” (p215.)
Then the pope offers his own version of why jesus said this on the cross.
[BIBLEDRB]Matthew 27:46[/BIBLEDRB]
Simple he is just praying Pslam 22 (Psalm 21 in Douay Rheims)
[BIBLEDRB]Psalm 21:1-5[/BIBLEDRB]
By Christ saying this prayer he is actually, according to augustine, praying as both the head and the body.
Christ prays as the head, “as the one who unites us all into a single common subject,” and as the body, “that is to say, all of our struggles . . . are present in his praying” The Pope also says that we are the ones praying this Psalm but in a new way “in the fellowship of Christ” and we “past, present and future are always united” with him.
All quoted material from page 215
That’s pretty much it in a nutshell. The Pope, in my opinion, really gives some light to this subject. For me as well he goes at this in a new way that I have never heard before. Its one of those things that while I may not be able to explain it great to others off the top of my head, or I could have never come up with this on my own. When I read it though it makes perfect sense to me.
I hope I did a sufficient Job explaining this, I don’t think I can do as good of as Job as the pope. I don’t want to just quote a few pages from his book, mainly because I know CAF doesn’t like us quoting large stuff of other people’s work.
I suggest you check it out yourself.
God Bless CTF
please note this stuff isn’t my own work, or my own research, I am simply summarizing a part of the Pope’s book. (pages 213-216)
I was reading the part about Christ’s cry of abandonment on the cross, and one of the questions that come up when discussing this is that How can Jesus, who is God, feel any separation from God at all?
Now theologians have attempted to try and explain how God can have separation from God. How one of the person of the trinity, in this case the son, can feel separation from the father, if they are in union with each-other. (I know some ways theologians have tried but I’m not going to go into them) According to the pope these ideas have been approached “too narrowly individualistic” (p215.)
Then the pope offers his own version of why jesus said this on the cross.
[BIBLEDRB]Matthew 27:46[/BIBLEDRB]
Simple he is just praying Pslam 22 (Psalm 21 in Douay Rheims)
[BIBLEDRB]Psalm 21:1-5[/BIBLEDRB]
By Christ saying this prayer he is actually, according to augustine, praying as both the head and the body.
Christ prays as the head, “as the one who unites us all into a single common subject,” and as the body, “that is to say, all of our struggles . . . are present in his praying” The Pope also says that we are the ones praying this Psalm but in a new way “in the fellowship of Christ” and we “past, present and future are always united” with him.
All quoted material from page 215
That’s pretty much it in a nutshell. The Pope, in my opinion, really gives some light to this subject. For me as well he goes at this in a new way that I have never heard before. Its one of those things that while I may not be able to explain it great to others off the top of my head, or I could have never come up with this on my own. When I read it though it makes perfect sense to me.
I hope I did a sufficient Job explaining this, I don’t think I can do as good of as Job as the pope. I don’t want to just quote a few pages from his book, mainly because I know CAF doesn’t like us quoting large stuff of other people’s work.
I suggest you check it out yourself.
God Bless CTF
My understanding is that basically Jesus immersed himself in that total spiritual darkness of our sins, or as Fr. Robert Barron puts it often, he reached all the total limits of God-forsakenness and filled them, hence he momentarily felt the complete weight of all ours sins and was blocked from God or felt that way…he took that on for us.