Jesus's second coming.Sudden without warning or only in the course of visible incidents as described in Revelation?

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Jesus said that his second coming to judge men will be at unexpected time which nobody knows and hence to remain prepared.But as per Revelation20:11,it is happening in a systematic manner after a series of visible incidents
such as great sufferings,1000 year Rule,throwing Satan into the lake of fire etc.These incidents are obviously clear and unmistakable so as to know years before as to when would be His second coming.
How to reconcile the apparent anomaly?
 
I don’t think the two are in disagreement. These events will come to pass before it occurs, but no one will no the exact date or hour when He will come again.
 
If there is an anomaly I’d ask who wrote revelations?
Ok, John the apostle.

Do you believe the Son of God or the author of revelations?

I believe Jesus, we won’t know exactly.

If I leave a group of people Im in charge of because I must for a while and I suspect that they will play up while I’m away I might tell them “I’m not sure exactly what time I’ll be back, but I will be back.”
 
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You appear to have terribly misunderstood Revelation.It is the revelations by none other thanJesus himself which God gave into him.So it should treated at par,if not superior to what is written in the 4 Gospels.
 
Oh dear!

I looked,it up and it said that the apostle John wrote it.

Why would Jesus say to different things? I can’t believe that…
 
The four Gospels were also written by some ,including John.
For your ready reference Rev1:1
“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to make known to his servants the things which must shortly come to pass: and signified, sending by his angel to his servant John,”
 
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Thank you.
Well so Jesus said we won’t know the exact time.
Then He tells John how we’ll know the approximate time.

That seems okay?
 
My humble doubt is(to repeat) if it happens only after the great suffering,1000 year rule etc why we should be prepared now itself for his return ?
 
Well we haven’t had the great suffering yet have we?

So no, we dont have to be prepared yet in one sense.

But we all have our own time to live and we die, and we don’t know when that will happen for each one of us. We need to prepare ourselves for our own salvation before we individually die. It doesn’t matter when the apocalypse is, our own apocalypse will be in the form of the death of our body.

If we prepare for our own deaths and trying to ensure that we are saved we will be also preparing for the day of judgement too.
 
I am not talking about the need for us to be prepared at any time for our death,which we should .My doubt is whether the second coming could be sudden and without warning or only after the series of incidents mentioned in the Revelation takes place in which case it is not likely to happen in the near future.
 
You may see a split in theology concerning the Second Coming.

Please read the catchism’s commentary, http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P2P.HTM

Christianity has three camps: the Second Coming occurred at the Resurrection, the Second Coming occurs when a person dies, or the Second Coming will happen at some distant point in the future (i.e., the Rapture).

As our Lord & Savior already died, descended, and resurrected himself to the Kingdom, an additional day of judgement seems out of line with the historiography. The Contemporary commentary from the Pope indicates that some will choose to turn away from God in the afterlife and that is Hell. Hell is not fire and brimstone literally, but the absence of God in one’s life is hell in itself.

What does your Priest say on the subject?
 
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Ok, John the apostle.

Do you believe the Son of God or the author of revelations?
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Both. The Book of the Apocalypse is part of sacred scripture, it isn’t a private revelation. We can view it as allegorical, but we must accept it as true.

Luke 21:25-27 “And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, by reason of the confusion of the roaring of the sea and the waves: Men withering away for fear, and expectation of what shall come upon the whole world. For the powers of heaven shall be moved: And then they shall see the Son of man coming in a cloud with great power and majesty.”

And in Matthew 24, before stating, “you know not what hour the Lord will come”, Christ talks of the times leading up to this - war, pestilence, famine, earthquakes, false Christs, false prophets and great tribulation, the sin darkening, stars falling from the sky and then Christ coming on clouds with angels blowing trumpets (verses 3-31).

I don’t see a conflict between what John wrote in the Book of the Apocalypse and what is said in the Gospels.
 
There is no consensus on the interpretation of the Book of Revelation. Some people subscribe to the preterist interpretation, which means most of the events have already occurred and we are living in the 1000 years (not literal) period with Christ.
 
That means we are now living in the period after the vials of wrath of God are already poured out,all living things in sea are dead etc.and Satan is now sealed and bound.!!Or that we need not take anything said in the Revelation as literal !
 
One of the many things going on, in the Book of Revelation, is that it makes extensive use of “recapitulation” – ie, the same events are recapped several different times, in different ways. This was talked about in our most early Christian commentaries.

There is a lot of recapping of the Church coming into existence, which includes Satan being bound by Jesus’ death and resurrection. There will be a brief, very bad period at the end of time when Satan gets to do as much bad stuff as he did in the days before Christ’s coming, but it has not happened yet.

So yes, everything after Christ’s ministry in Earth has been the end times, the last days, etc. The longer the time, the more people get to hear the Gospel. At any time, however, Jesus could come back; and someday that day will arrive.
 
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Jesus said that his second coming to judge men will be at unexpected time which nobody knows and hence to remain prepared.But as per Revelation20:11,it is happening in a systematic manner after a series of visible incidents
such as great sufferings,1000 year Rule,throwing Satan into the lake of fire etc.These incidents are obviously clear and unmistakable so as to know years before as to when would be His second coming.
How to reconcile the apparent anomaly?
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I disagree with the premise that “These incidents are (or will be) clear.” My opinion–shared by others–is that Adolf Hitler was the anti-Christ and that it is therefore later than we realize. I also think that Jesus’ “2nd coming” is the same as the arrival of YHWH on earth. After all, Jesus is one with YHWH. This arrival is described by OT prophets in terms that are consistent with global nuclear war. See Isaiah 66:15-16 and Jeremiah 25:32-33 for instance.
As the prophetess Patty Griffen has sung about the father: “He burned the house down to announce His arrival.”
 
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