Jewish Blood "Libel" True?

[Lapell]

I don’t know what a rabbincal scholar can mean, other than a rabbi.

Just a side question about this. Can some of those who have gone in a rabbinical school and somehow failed can still be rightly called scholars? Do some of the students in rabbinical schools change their minds about wanting to become rabbis (unless you would be in a case such as Danny Saunders’ in Chaim Potok’s novel The Chosen…)? Could it be Toaff’s case here?

 

[Lapell]

Of course this question comes from an outsider, you realised this immediately…

 

[Lapell]

Well, if you bothered to read through the entire post instead of snipe at it for attention you would see there is no reason for doubt.

Are there any adults here who want to enter into the conversation?

Well, forgive this one teenager, but… what are YOUR motives to bring that article up, then?

 

[ralphinal]

Well, forgive this one teenager, but… what are YOUR motives to bring that article up, then?

I didn’t realise that you were a teenager! You are doing quite a good job on here!

 

[Lapell]

Maybe you should answer this question first: did it happen or did it not at any time in history? Never mind whether it’s rampant or not.

Hum… Reuben J, can I ask you if YOU know the answer to this question?

 

[Lapell]

I didn’t realise that you were a teenager! You are doing quite a good job on here!

Thank you!
I was trying to see myself in view of Deusdonat’s definition of an “adult” in the quote I used… I may have downsized myself a little, but in this case I don’t mind!

 

[Lapell]

No, the fact that the author pulled the book speaks more to the power of the Jewish media, lobby and economic interests than whether or not it has merrit or not. The University backed, funded and supported his book after it came out. It was only after the greater accademic world got wind of it that they were forced to withdraw it. Mainily by people like you who refuse to even read what he has to say about it.

The Catholic Church agreed with the Jewish authorities, and it was not just to please them. Did you miss it in the article you gave us to read? You then sound as though you’re not siding with the Catholic Church, Deusdonat!

 

[Lapell]

Um…there IS evidence, and the book lays it out. The men who were hanged in connection with the death of St Simonino were convicted on EVIDENCE. Confessions and testimony are EVIDENCE. Toaff further presents the case for his theory with more EVIDENCE.

The evidence exists. Just because you don’t like or agree with it doesn’t negate it or make it less of a reality.

Ever heard of judicial error? And of forced confessions? Rampant in the Soviet Union, it had existed before!

 

[Lapell]

The work of the mass media, controlled by people with vested interest can be pretty effective in influencing world opinion. The kind of subtle damage control activity can to some extent obscure the actual happening of things.

Maybe you should answer this question first: did it happen or did it not at any time in history? Never mind whether it’s rampant or not.

Control, if there’s any, can be used to correct wrongs. And there are many non-Jews in the mass media anyway!

 

[Valke2]

Just a side question about this. Can some of those who have gone in a rabbinical school and somehow failed can still be rightly called scholars? Do some of the students in rabbinical schools change their minds about wanting to become rabbis (unless you would be in a case such as Danny Saunders’ in Chaim Potok’s novel The Chosen…)? Could it be Toaff’s case here?

I’m sure there are many who to not complete their ordination. I don’t know what other title you can have in Judaism these days other than Rabbi.

 

[HashemEchad]

First, the author is not a rabbi. His father was. From what I read of the article, he has no new evidence, and relies on confessions of Jews that were given under torture.

This is correct.

According to the Torah, Jews are FORBIDDEN from ingesting ANY manner of blood, even animal blood. God said that we are forbidden to ingest blood because the life of the flesh is in it, and He gave it to us to make AN atonement for our sins.

What I always found interesting was that the ancient pagan Romans used to accuse the early Christiasn of killing Roman children to use their blood for their communion services.

The Catholics then turned around and accused the Jews of killing Catholic children to use their blood for our Passover wine.

 

[Lapell]

This is correct.

According to the Torah, Jews are FORBIDDEN from ingesting ANY manner of blood, even animal blood. God said that we are forbidden to ingest blood because the life of the flesh is in it, and He gave it to us to make AN atonement for our sins.

What I always found interesting was that the ancient pagan Romans used to accuse the early Christiasn of killing Roman children to use their blood for their communion services.

The Catholics then turned around and accused the Jews of killing Catholic children to use their blood for our Passover wine.

Was it “the Catholics”? Some Catholics, and some Catholics in high places, maybe. But “the” Catholics? That would mean all the Catholics…

 

[HashemEchad]

Was it “the Catholics”? Some Catholics, and some Catholics in high places, maybe. But “the” Catholics? That would mean all the Catholics…

I guess it could be said to have been “a lot of Catholics”, since blood libels were very common in medieval times.

 

[Lapell]

I guess it could be said to have been “a lot of Catholics”, since blood libels were very common in medieval times.

Yeah, I suppose I can accept this amendment.
How people easily accept a slander without further examination is quite baffling… and it has happened and still happens… That’s sad and bad!!

 

[HashemEchad]

Yeah, I suppose I can accept this amendment.
How people easily accept a slander without further examination is quite baffling… and it has happened and still happens… That’s sad and bad!!

One thing I have noticed in history…having been persecuted, sadly, does not prevent said people from transferring their own persecution onto others.

The first Christians were falsely accused by the ancient Romans of killing Roman pagan children and using their blood for Communion. The persecuted Christians, when they evolved into the Roman Catholic church, turned around and transferred that false blood libel to the Jews, whom many of them now said were killing Christian children and using their blood for the Passover ritual.

Many of the Jews who ended up in Israel after the Nazi genocide turned right around and persecuted the Arabs who were indigenous to the area…their descendants are still doing that today, as zionist soldiers.

So you see, having been a victim does not, sadly, prevent one from victimizing someone else in turn.

 

[Lapell]

The Catholics then turned around and accused the Jews of killing Catholic children to use their blood for our Passover wine.

Had I said nothing, I guess you would have left it the way you wrote it, and there would have been more Catholics on this thread against you because of this appearance of generalization. I suppose that to some Catholics, it could happen that they usually would think “some Jews” or “a group of Jews” but that they would at times use “the Jews” without further thinking, and with just those Jews or this group of Jews in mind. I suppose it could be possible, could it not?

 

[Lapell]

That being said, I hope they would think to correct themselves when a chance would occur… that would be proper and a good thing!

 

[Lapell]

One thing I have noticed in history…having been persecuted, sadly, does not prevent said people from transferring their own persecution onto others.

The first Christians were falsely accused by the ancient Romans of killing Roman pagan children and using their blood for Communion. The persecuted Christians, when they evolved into the Roman Catholic church, turned around and transferred that false blood libel to the Jews, whom many of them now said were killing Christian children and using their blood for the Passover ritual.

Many of the Jews who ended up in Israel after the Nazi genocide turned right around and persecuted the Arabs who were indigenous to the area…their descendants are still doing that today, as zionist soldiers.

So you see, having been a victim does not, sadly, prevent one from victimizing someone else in turn.

In fact, when it comes to the land of Israel, I am not sure it was the Jews who started it… even though there seems to be Israeli Jewish politicians who seem interested in keeping the enmity of many Arabs ( I nearly myself said “the Arabs”!.. my, isn’t that easy to use a generalization!!!) alive! I’d hope I am mistaken here, I’d rather be…

 

[chosen_people]

One thing I have noticed in history…having been persecuted, sadly, does not prevent said people from transferring their own persecution onto others.

The first Christians were falsely accused by the ancient Romans of killing Roman pagan children and using their blood for Communion. The persecuted Christians, when they evolved into the Roman Catholic church, turned around and transferred that false blood libel to the Jews, whom many of them now said were killing Christian children and using their blood for the Passover ritual.

Many of the Jews who ended up in Israel after the Nazi genocide turned right around and persecuted the Arabs who were indigenous to the area…their descendants are still doing that today, as zionist soldiers.

So you see, having been a victim does not, sadly, prevent one from victimizing someone else in turn.

Shame on you for comparing Israeli soldiers to Nazi’s.

Every Arab in the middle east would love to have the freedom democracy and rights of the Arabs living in Israel.

 

[HashemEchad]

Shame on you for comparing Israeli soldiers to Nazi’s.

Every Arab in the middle east would love to have the freedom democracy and rights of the Arabs living in Israel.

When a group acts like nazis, I say so. I call it as I see it.

SHAME on zionists for acting like our enemies toward the Arabs who were there first. That IS NOT the true Jewish way!