Jewish Blood "Libel" True?

[chosen_people]

When a group acts like nazis, I say so. I call it as I see it.

SHAME on zionists for acting like our enemies toward the Arabs who were there first. That IS NOT the true Jewish way!

Well if perhaps you had even a rudimentary knowledge of Jewish history and the history of Zionism, if perhaps you weren’t involdved with some fringe group of Judaism like Satmar or Niturei Karta, if perhaps you actually understood the concept of Lashon harah, I’m sure your response would be different. You and your family might want to experience being Jewish for at least a couple of generations before finding it incumbent to attack and bad mouth other Jews.

 

[bobzills]

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These are very decent and worthwhile projects. Is there any possibility that Catholics and Jews can work together for a better world and in the interests of serving humanity, or will the serious theological differences between the two religions only serve to increase the difficulty of constructive cooperation between the two groups?

 

[chosen_people]

These are very decent and worthwhile projects. Is there any possibility that Catholics and Jews can work together for a better world and in the interests of serving humanity, or will the serious theological differences between the two religions only serve to increase the difficulty of constructive cooperation between the two groups?

I believe and hope that Catholics and Jews are already working together all over the world to make the world a better place and in the interests of serving humanity. Certainly Jews are sensitive to attempts to convert them and wary of antisemitism, however there is nothing in Judaism ( the talmud does not contain all those made up passages and impossible citations against non Jews you read about on anti Jewish web sites) nor in Jewish attitudes towards non Jews (Jewish charitable contributions and charitable works for non Jewish causes speak for themselves) to deter or intefere, at least from a Jewish perspective, with working together for the benifit of all.

 

[HashemEchad]

Well if perhaps you had even a rudimentary knowledge of Jewish history and the history of Zionism, if perhaps you weren’t involdved with some fringe group of Judaism like Satmar or Niturei Karta, if perhaps you actually understood the concept of Lashon harah, I’m sure your response would be different. You and your family might want to experience being Jewish for at least a couple of generations before finding it incumbent to attack and bad mouth other Jews.

I come from a long line of Orthodox rabbis on my father’s side. I was raised an Orthodox Jew. I have been a student of Jewish history since my teen years. I have written articles about Jewish history.

I REALLY think you are making some pretty false assumptions here, and that is an understatement!

Maybe you are the one who needs an education, if you think zionism is a friend of the Jewish people. Maybe you need to study the true history of the zionist movement, and learn that the first zionists were antireligious Jews. Maybe you need to learn of the 20% quota the atheistic zionist founders of the state placed on immigration by religious Jews (they wanted to keep a secular majority in their new state).

Maybe you need to learn about Theodore Herzl, the founder of secular zionism, and learn that one of his ideas for solving antisemitism (before he came up with the idea of zionism), was to have all Jews convert to Christianity.

Maybe you need to learn that the zionists worked with the nazis to try to keep as many old, sick, religious Jews as possible in Europe, so that they would be killed and not “burden” the new state. Not only that, their blood could then be used to gain the sympathy of the world so they could get their new state (and hey, it worked!)

Maybe you need to study the words of Chaim Weizmann, when he said, “With their blood (the religious victims of the Holocaust), we will build our state”.

Maybe you need to do some reading:

“Perfidy” by Ben Hecht (banned in the zionist state for 30 years because the author exposed the true machinations of the zionists, though he was a zionist himself)

“51 Documents” by Lenni Brenner (documents exposing the colaboration of zionists with the nazis)

“The Unheeded Cry” by Rabbi Michoel ber Weissmandl (the Orthodox rabbi who fought to free the Jews of Slovakia, and was stopped at every turn by zionists who wanted to keep those religious Jews in Europe.)

 

[reteeks21]

I come from a long line of Orthodox rabbis on my father’s side. I was raised an Orthodox Jew. I have been a student of Jewish history since my teen years. I have written articles about Jewish history.

I REALLY think you are making some pretty false assumptions here, and that is an understatement!

Maybe you are the one who needs an education, if you think zionism is a friend of the Jewish people. Maybe you need to study the true history of the zionist movement, and learn that the first zionists were antireligious Jews. Maybe you need to learn of the 20% quota the atheistic zionist founders of the state placed on immigration by religious Jews (they wanted to keep a secular majority in their new state).

Maybe you need to learn about Theodore Herzl, the founder of secular zionism, and learn that one of his ideas for solving antisemitism was to have all Jews convert to Christianity.

Maybe you need to learn that the zionists worked with the nazis to try to keep as many old, sick, religious Jews as possible in Europe, so that they would be killed and not “burden” the new state. Not only that, their blood could then be used to gain the sympathy of the world so they could get their new state.

Maybe you need to study the words of Chaim Weizmann, when he said, “With their blood (the religious victims of the Holocaust), we will build our state”.

Where can I find the info you mentioned above? I have never heard these things, especially the Herzl info.

 

[HashemEchad]

Where can I find the info you mentioned above? I have never heard these things, especially the Herzl info.

I’ve known about these things for a number of years, but a quick reference site for much of this info is:

jewsagainstzionism.com

I always found it interesting that the most religious of the Orthodox Jews are the ones who are least zionist (actually, they are anti-zionist.) Some of the greatest and holiest rabbonim of our time have spoken out against zionism. Surely ‘chosenpeople’ is not going to call them “ignorant of Judaism or Jewish history”?

 

[chosen_people]

I come from a long line of Orthodox rabbis on my father’s side. I was raised an Orthodox Jew. I have been a student of Jewish history since my teen years. I have written articles about Jewish history.

I REALLY think you are making some pretty false assumptions here, and that is an understatement!

Maybe you are the one who needs an education, if you think zionism is a friend of the Jewish people. Maybe you need to study the true history of the zionist movement, and learn that the first zionists were antireligious Jews. Maybe you need to learn of the 20% quota the atheistic zionist founders of the state placed on immigration by religious Jews (they wanted to keep a secular majority in their new state).

Maybe you need to learn about Theodore Herzl, the founder of secular zionism, and learn that one of his ideas for solving antisemitism (before he came up with the idea of zionism), was to have all Jews convert to Christianity.

Maybe you need to learn that the zionists worked with the nazis to try to keep as many old, sick, religious Jews as possible in Europe, so that they would be killed and not “burden” the new state. Not only that, their blood could then be used to gain the sympathy of the world so they could get their new state (and hey, it worked!)

Maybe you need to study the words of Chaim Weizmann, when he said, “With their blood (the religious victims of the Holocaust), we will build our state”.

Maybe you need to do some reading:

“Perfidy” by Ben Hecht (banned in the zionist state for 30 years because the author exposed the true machinations of the zionists, though he was a zionist himself)

“51 Documents” by Lenni Brenner (documents exposing the colaboration of zionists with the nazis)

“The Unheeded Cry” by Rabbi Michoel ber Weissmandl (the Orthodox rabbi who fought to free the Jews of Slovakia, and was stopped at every turn by zionists who wanted to keep those religious Jews in Europe.)

Jews trace their lineage through their mothers and orthodox rabbi’s do not intermarry with non Jews.

Jews who have any knowledge and understanding of the horrors of the holocaust and the suffering of the Jewish people do not not call other Jews Nazi’s.

The roots of Zionism are found in the siddur. Too bad you are unable to understand what you read.

Unlike yourself, I have an academic background in Jewish history including the history of Zionism from one of the world’s leading universities. Claims that Herzl wanted the Jews to convert to Christianity or that the Jewish Yishuv worked with the Nazi’s and as you put it “to keep as many old, sick, religious Jews as possible in Europe, so that they would be killed and not “burden” the new state. Not only that, their blood could then be used to gain the sympathy of the world so they could get their new state” are patently false and no reputable historian would repeat them. They have the same validity as those who would deny the holocaust or the various anti Jewish websites with their false quotations and false references from the Talmud.

Antisemitism and lashon harah are not made less so if it comes from Jews. The purpose is the same, to engender hate.

You did not state to which marginal Jewsish fringe group you equate yourself with, I guessed Satmar or Niturei Karta.

 

[HashemEchad]

Jews trace their lineage through their mothers and orthodox rabbi’s do not intermarry with non Jews.

Jews who have any knowledge and understanding of the horrors of the holocaust and the suffering of the Jewish people do not not call other Jews Nazi’s.

The roots of Zionism are found in the siddur. Too bad you are unable to understand what you read.

Unlike yourself, I have an academic background in Jewish history including the history of Zionism from one of the world’s leading universities. Claims that Herzl wanted the Jews to convert to Christianity or that the Jewish Yishuv worked with the Nazi’s and as you put it “to keep as many old, sick, religious Jews as possible in Europe, so that they would be killed and not “burden” the new state. Not only that, their blood could then be used to gain the sympathy of the world so they could get their new state” are patently false and no reputable historian would repeat them. They have the same validity as those who would deny the holocaust or the various anti Jewish websites with their false quotations and false references from the Talmud.

Antisemitism and lashon harah are not made less so if it comes from Jews. The purpose is the same, to engender hate.

You did not state to which marginal Jewsish fringe group you equate yourself with, I guessed Satmar or Niturei Karta.

I’m confused about your opening statement: “Jews trace their lineage through the mothers, and Orthodox rabbis do not intermarry with nonJews”. How does that apply to me?

If you are trying to imply (as I suspect) that my mother is not Jewish, I have stated many times that my mother converted to Orthodox Judaism in 1944, and she is from a converso family originally, anyway. My father was not an Orthodox rabbi but his father (and his father, and on down the line) were.

So do explain what your comment meant.

As for “fringe marginal group”, I do not belong to any of them. Like many religious Jews, I share the anti-zionist views that many of the great Torah sages have also believed in, this does not mean we belong to a “group”. Until recently, almost ALL Orthodox rabbis and sages were anti-zionist, didn’t you know this?

Maybe you need to educate yourself more, and learn what the genuine Orthodox rabbinic sages have said about zionism. You can start here (and no, this is not Neturei Karta): jewsagainstzionism.com

BTW have you seen the article about Herzl’s family in the recent MOMENT Magazine? It seems the great zionist “savior” could not even save his own family. His son converted to Christianity and then committed suicide, his daughter was a drug addicted alcoholic and mentally ill who died in a mental hospital, and he spent all his time focusing on zionism and did not even spend time with his own children.

Nothing I have stated is lashon hara, but FACTS. Look it up for yourself, if you are honest.

momentmag.com/Exclusive/2008/2008-05/200805-Herzl.html

 

[chosen_people]

I’m confused about your opening statement: “Jews trace their lineage through the mothers, and Orthodox rabbis do not intermarry with nonJews”. How does that apply to me?

If you are trying to imply (as I suspect) that my mother is not Jewish, I have stated many times that my mother converted to Orthodox Judaism in 1944, and she is from a converso family originally, anyway. My father was not an Orthodox rabbi but his father (and his father, and on down the line) were.

So do explain what your comment meant.

As for “fringe marginal group”, I do not belong to any of them. Like many religious Jews, I share the anti-zionist views that many of the great Torah sages have also believed in, this does not mean we belong to a “group”. Until recently, almost ALL Orthodox rabbis and sages were anti-zionist, didn’t you know this?

Maybe you need to educate yourself more, and learn what the genuine Orthodox rabbinic sages have said about zionism. You can start here (and no, this is not Neturei Karta): jewsagainstzionism.com

BTW have you seen the article about Herzl’s family in the recent MOMENT Magazine? It seems the great zionist “savior” could not even save his own family. His son converted to Christianity and then committed suicide, his daughter was a drug addicted alcoholic and mentally ill who died in a mental hospital, and he spent all his time focusing on zionism and did not even spend time with his own children.

Nothing I have stated is lashon hara, but FACTS. Look it up for yourself, if you are honest.

momentmag.com/Exclusive/2008/2008-05/200805-Herzl.html

Trying to have an intelligent discussion with someone whose knowledge is limited to an internet site like “Jews against Zionism” is like discussing Jewish attitudes towards gentiles from someone whose knowledge is from the internet site “the talmud unmasked”.

To learn about Religous zionism start with Rabbi Avraham Yitzchak kook and Reines. For present day I would suggest Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu. The tragedy of Herzl’s early death and the tragedy that befell his children is well known. That has nothing to do with the “fact” you claimed that Herzl called on all Jews to convert. Had modern Zionism succeeded earlier than six million Jews would be alive.

 

[ralphinal]

Trying to have an intelligent discussion with someone whose knowledge is limited to an internet site like “Jews against Zionism” is like discussing Jewish attitudes towards gentiles from someone whose knowledge is from the internet site “the talmud unmasked”.

To learn about Religous zionism start with Rabbi Avraham Yitzchak kook and Reines. For present day I would suggest Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu. The tragedy of Herzl’s early death and the tragedy that befell his children is well known. That has nothing to do with the “fact” you claimed that Herzl called on all Jews to convert. Had modern Zionism succeeded earlier than six million Jews would be alive.

I would dispute that all 6 million would have returned to Isreal. Other than that, I have no dog in this fight.

 

[HashemEchad]

Trying to have an intelligent discussion with someone whose knowledge is limited to an internet site like “Jews against Zionism” is like discussing Jewish attitudes towards gentiles from someone whose knowledge is from the internet site “the talmud unmasked”.

To learn about Religous zionism start with Rabbi Avraham Yitzchak kook and Reines. For present day I would suggest Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu. The tragedy of Herzl’s early death and the tragedy that befell his children is well known. That has nothing to do with the “fact” you claimed that Herzl called on all Jews to convert. Had modern Zionism succeeded earlier than six million Jews would be alive.

My knowledge is not “limited to an internet site”. I come from a long line of Orthodox Jews on my father’s side who were anti-zionist, I know whereof I speak.

Why not go to the Old City in Yerushalayim, and talk to the religious Jews there? In Mea Shearim you will find all of the Jews are anti-zionist. In fact MOST anti-zionist Orthodox Jews today live in the Holy Land, and have lived there for many generations.

The leading rabbinic sages of times past and present have denounced zionism. You don’t have to believe me, read their words for yourself:

jewsagainstzionism.com/rabbi_quotes/index.cfm

As a religious Jew I deeply resent secular zionists trying to impose a manmade anti-Jewish dogma onto the Jewish people. Zionists succeeded in one thing: they wanted to replace the Torah with the idea of a manmade state government, and they did it.

Now, most Jews seem to feel they don’t have to keep Torah, as long as they wave the Israeli flag, they have done their duty as Jews. Yet the zionist state is a hotbed of immorality and filth, just as the zionists wanted it.

“We will know we have succeeded in getting a Jewish state when there are Jewish prostitutes in Tel Aviv”.–Theodore Herzl

 

[Valke2]

I’m confused about your opening statement: “Jews trace their lineage through the mothers, and Orthodox rabbis do not intermarry with nonJews”. How does that apply to me?

If you are trying to imply (as I suspect) that my mother is not Jewish, I have stated many times that my mother converted to Orthodox Judaism in 1944, and she is from a converso family originally, anyway. My father was not an Orthodox rabbi but his father (and his father, and on down the line) were.

So do explain what your comment meant.

As for “fringe marginal group”, I do not belong to any of them. Like many religious Jews, I share the anti-zionist views that many of the great Torah sages have also believed in, this does not mean we belong to a “group”. Until recently, almost ALL Orthodox rabbis and sages were anti-zionist, didn’t you know this?

Maybe you need to educate yourself more, and learn what the genuine Orthodox rabbinic sages have said about zionism. You can start here (and no, this is not Neturei Karta): jewsagainstzionism.com

BTW have you seen the article about Herzl’s family in the recent MOMENT Magazine? It seems the great zionist “savior” could not even save his own family. His son converted to Christianity and then committed suicide, his daughter was a drug addicted alcoholic and mentally ill who died in a mental hospital, and he spent all his time focusing on zionism and did not even spend time with his own children.

Nothing I have stated is lashon hara, but FACTS. Look it up for yourself, if you are honest.

momentmag.com/Exclusive/2008/2008-05/200805-Herzl.html

The provision in the Talmud that the Torah sages relied on had certain prohibtions in addition to occupying the land by force. One of those prohibitions was against other nations excessively punishing Israel. Many, many religious jews and rabbis are of the opinion that since this prohibition was ignored, we are permitted to establish the state of Israel.

Happy Birthday Israel.

 

[valient_Lucy]

The “blood libel” states that the Jews used blood from children in the Passover meal. Considering the very strict prohibition against eating or drinking blood in Judaism, I can’t imagine there’s truth to these assertions.

It’s somewhat akin to suggesting that Mormon Temple practices involve smoking a pack of cigarettes and getting wasted on whiskey.

 

[HashemEchad]

The provision in the Talmud that the Torah sages relied on had certain prohibtions in addition to occupying the land by force. One of those prohibitions was against other nations excessively punishing Israel. Many, many religious jews and rabbis are of the opinion that since this prohibition was ignored, we are permitted to establish the state of Israel.

Happy Birthday Israel.

Jewish tradition says that the Jewish people cannot be returned to the Land en masse until Mashiach comes.

Judaism does not believe Mashiach has come yet.

Fundamentalist Christians and “messianic jews” believe the Mashiach has come, and that his name is Jesus. This is one reason they feel able to be zionist.

 

[Valke2]

Jewish tradition says that the Jewish people cannot be returned to the Land en masse until Mashiach comes.

Judaism does not believe Mashiach has come yet.

Fundamentalist Christians and “messianic jews” believe the Mashiach has come, and that his name is Jesus. This is one reason they feel able to be zionist.

That’s not really what Jewish tradition believes. ANd tradition and halacha are, as you know, not the same. THe majority of Jews and the majority of orthodox jews support the state of Israel. And since the orthodox Jews in Israel receive 10s of millions of dollars from the gov’t, it would be the height of hyprocrisy for them to argue that Israel should not exist.

 

[HashemEchad]

That’s not really what Jewish tradition believes. ANd tradition and halacha are, as you know, not the same. THe majority of Jews and the majority of orthodox jews support the state of Israel. And since the orthodox Jews in Israel receive 10s of millions of dollars from the gov’t, it would be the height of hyprocrisy for them to argue that Israel should not exist.

The religious Jews I support in the Holy Land do not accept any money from the zionist regime because in their view, to do so would be wrong.

There is a vast network outside the Holy Land that financially supports these religious Jews, and I’m part of it.

I agree that any who do accept state funding are hypocritical.

Incidentally, just because a ‘majority’ of Jews supports something, does not make it right. Only reform and conservative make decisions based on majority rule; religious Jews base decisions on Torah.

I have made an observation over the course of my life, and that is this: the Jews I have known who were the most religious, the most humble and the most spiritual, were also the least political and the least likely to be zionist. In fact they were almost always anti-zionist for theological reasons.

The more a supposed “Orthodox” Jew gets into zionism, the less spiritual they seem to become.

When I rebelled against my upbringing as a teen, and became a secular Jew for a number of years, I too, became a zionist. I always found it curious that when I returned to being an observant Jew, my interest in zionism began to wane.

This is because for most Jews, zionism become a replacement for Torah Judaism. Many Jews feel that if they advocate for the zionist state, they don’t have to be religious because they have “done their part”. I have also met Jews who intermarried, and felt no harm in it because even though the spouse was not Jewish, “they’re really strong for Israel!”

Zionism is the modern Golden Calf for many Jews who see it as easier to rah-rah for the blue and white than to actually keep Torah.

 

[Valke2]

Conservative Judaism, of course, bases its laws on Torah and Talmud. I used the term majority because your previous posts made it sound like not supporting Israel’s right to exist at this time was normative judaism. It is not. I also gavie you Talmudic reasons why it is not prohibited to support Israel. Finally, again, when I say the majority of Jews, I am not talking about only conservative and reform jews. The majority of orthodox jews support Israel. Certainly the vast majority of orthodox Jews in the US do.

I know this is off topic but I thought your post needed to be addressed.

 

[Lapell]

Jewish tradition says that the Jewish people cannot be returned to the Land en masse until Mashiach comes.

Judaism does not believe Mashiach has come yet.

Fundamentalist Christians and “messianic jews” believe the Mashiach has come, and that his name is Jesus. This is one reason they feel able to be zionist.

I didn’t know myself to be a “fundamentalist” Christian!

 

[Lapell]

Conservative Judaism, of course, bases its laws on Torah and Talmud. I used the term majority because your previous posts made it sound like not supporting Israel’s right to exist at this time was normative judaism. It is not. I also gavie you Talmudic reasons why it is not prohibited to support Israel. Finally, again, when I say the majority of Jews, I am not talking about only conservative and reform jews. The majority of orthodox jews support Israel. Certainly the vast majority of orthodox Jews in the US do.

I know this is off topic but I thought your post needed to be addressed.

I thought Hashem Echad said she does not support the State of Israel under the present conditions, and that when it meets all the conditions as stated by the Sages of Israel, only then will she support it wholeheartedly. (Am I summing it up correctly, HashemEchad?)

 

[Valke2]

I thought Hashem Echad said she does not support the State of Israel under the present conditions, and that when it meets all the conditions as stated by the Sages of Israel, only then will she support it wholeheartedly. (Am I summing it up correctly, HashemEchad?)

That’s pretty much what she said. But she stated or implied that this was the belief of the majority of religious jews. It is that portion of her statement that I take issue with.