Jewish Burial Issue - Shroud of Turin Question

[Wm777]

Not sure if this is the right place for this question, but here goes…

Over the past few months, I have been studying a recent video on the Shroud of Turin, which sets forth some interesting new ideas pertaining to the shroud’s authenticity. Aside from the current scientific arguments offering positive proof - everything the video suggests makes a lot of sense, except for the position of the body. The video claims the body would have been laying face down due to the position of the blood trails.

It gives rise to the question as to why the body would have been laid in the tomb face down?

I have been studying some of the Jewish burial traditions, and many did (and still do) use death shrouds, but people were almost always buried face up… I only found one exception, where a man wished to be buried face down for something like a penitential reason, but I think the fellow’s rabbi rejected the request.

In any case - are there reasons we know of (from scripture or elsewhere) why the body would have been laid in the tomb face down?

 

[Finn]

Have you checked out the face up shroud image?

Do you have some details on the video you’re referring to?

 

[undead_rat]

Your video is wrong on this point. The Shroud shows a pool of blood underneath the back of the body.
I recommend that you read the work of more than just one commentator.
Several well researched books are available:

THE SHROUD, Wilson, 2010
TEST THE SHROUD, Antonacci, 2015
THE SHROUD OF TURIN, FIRST CENTURY AFTER CHRIST, Fanti/Malfi, 2015

These works unveil the lost history of the Shroud back to 33 AD, prove that the Shroud is actually 2000 years old, and uncover the malfeasance of the British Museum in its attempt to assign a medieval date to the Shroud.

The Shroud is the burial cloth of Jesus which records His sacred image. You should never doubt that fact.

 

[BartholomewB]

The video claims the body would have been laying face down due to the position of the blood trails.

Is this the first time that anyone has claimed that the body wrapped in the shroud was laid face down? If so, the researcher making that claim needs to explain how nobody else ever noticed that before, in the six hundred years that people having been examining the shroud and arguing about it.

 

[Rob2]

Face down or face up , modern science is incapable of creating a replica . I’m 99% certain that the shroud is genuine .

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[Mintaka]

If you pull a body down from a cross, carry it, and wrap it, there could well be some attitudinal changes during the process. Same thing with the head hanging down after death, or even during the crucifixion process. So there would be small amounts of blood traveling in different directions, for smallish distances.

OTOH, the pooling of blood tells you how the process ended up, while the blood was still fresh, and where the lividity would have been.

 

[Wm777]

For the record, I am an advocate for the authenticity of the Shroud, so please drop the friendly fire. There’s a huge difference between a asking a question in the interest of further understanding something and doubting something altogether; even the Vatican currently still yields to some of these questions.

While the video is amongst some of the best proofs I’ve ever seen, I initially withheld the link for a few reasons.

1. I’ve posted it before, but no one took to a conversation on it. I think, because…
2. It takes an hour to watch.
3. It’s not too hard to understand, but - to really visualize what the researchers mean - you may have to watch it a few times.

I’ve probably watched the entire video about 15-20X, and - while I get the main gist of it - I still dont see everything they are referring to. In any case, here are two links: the first is timestamped to the discussion on the position of the body, and the second link takes the video from the very beginning.

 

[Wm777]

It may be worth noting, in using a spatial recognition and restitution approach, the video above seems like more of an effort to identify and puzzle together phenomena that have so far lied asunder.

For instance, the way the Sudarium of Oviedo was folded, pinned and positioned relative to the head makes perfect sense and completes the scriptures better than some of the other explanations.

The crown of thorns can be clearly visualized too, right down to the type of shrub it was made from… The plant (sarcopoterium spinosum) is actually a much more beautiful plant than the thorns we normally see religious artists having guessed at…

The evidence of the dressage is relatively new and interesting. The chains, the earring and jewelry, and the phylacteries, and the purpose of the restitched swathe of cloth along the side - as well as the motions of the body as it was basically “burned” into the cloth are all new… as far as I know - what’s to be seen here creates a much clearer and more complete picture than anything we have seen about the shroud before…

There’s still lots of questions to be answered, but I love this whole study…