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If Christianity is true Judaism must be false If Judaism is false how do you explain all of these miracles?
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Miracle 2
A man was in line at a fast food restaurant and was running late for a meeting. He was very impatient as the line was long and slow. The man in front of him noticed this and asked if the man in a rush would like to go first. With a quick thanks he said “yes”, got his order and rushed out of the restaurant.
A few feet away he heard a massive explosion and saw that the restaurant behind him had been blown up! It was the Sbarro terrorist bombing in Jerusalem.
The man was shocked, and then he realized that the man who had acted out of kindness had likely lost his life for his goodness!
He made great efforts to check the news and hospitals to see if the unknown man had survived. He managed to find him and identify him. The man was alive but badly injured. He spent a long time in hospital and in recovery. The man who should have been in his place, an American, offered any and all assistance he could.
A few years later he receives a call from the son of the man. Her father needs further treatment that can only be done in America. Could this stranger visit the Israeli who had no family in America? But of course! And the American further insists to meet the plane from Israel to personally help the Israeli.
He takes the Israeli into his home, staying home from work that day. The American said to his fellow Jew “HaShem sent you to save my life and any time I can do anything for you, all you need do is ask me. I owe my life to you.”
That date was 9/11/2001. The American worked on the 110th floor of the World Trade Center. Had he been at work he would have been killed.
The Israeli in fact saved his life twice: once at the Sbarro bombing and once at the World Trade Center. /QUOTE
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Miracle 3
by Yaffa Eliach
The reward of saving one life. A true story from the Holocaust.
It was the new month of Sivan, 5704, spring 1944. Ida, her father, mother, brothers, and sisters were ordered to the train station with the rest of the Jewish community of their Czechoslovakian town. Jews had lived there for generations, but their history was all coming to an abrupt end with a single train ride to Auschwitz.
The cattle cars were sealed. More than 80 people were squeezed into a single wagon. Ida and her family managed to stay together, and they comforted each other amidst the choking heat, filth, and fear of the unknown. “Papa, where are they taking us?” Ida asked.
"My children, once there was an altar on Mount Moriah in the holy city of Jerusalem. G-d commanded a father to take his only, beloved son and sacrifice him upon that altar, in order to test his faith in G-d. As the father was about to fulfill G-d’s command and lifted the knife, HaShem, G-d spoke to Abraham and said, ‘Lay not thy hand upon the lad.’
“Today, my children, there is another huge altar, not on a sacred mountain but in a profane valley of death. There, man is testing his own inhumanity toward his fellow man. The children of Abraham are again a burnt offering, this time by the command of men. But man, unlike G-d, will not stop the knife. To the contrary, he will sharpen it and fan the altar flames so that they may totally consume their sacrifice. A man-made fire, a knife held by man, must be stopped by man, by a human voice, a human hand. My children, be human in this inhuman valley of death. May the merit of our Father Abraham protect you, for whoever saves one Jewish soul, it is as if he saves an entire universe.”
Pretty White Teeth
On the eve of the holiday of Shavuot, Ida and her family arrived in Auschwitz. The skies above Auschwitz were red. Ida’s father spoke as if to himself: “On this day, millenniums ago, G-d came down to man in fire and smoke and gave his commandments. Today, man is commanding in fire and smoke, ‘Thou shalt kill!’”
The Auschwitz platform separated Ida forever from her father, mother, young sisters, and brothers. Ida and her older married sister passed the selection and were put to work for the German civilian population and the Reich’s war machine. Ida sorted the clothes of the gassed, folded them neatly, and placed them in symmetrical piles according to size and quality, ready for shipment to Germany to be used by the German people.
One day, as Ida was sorting the clothes, an SS officer walked over to her and said: “Why do you smile, Jewish pig?” Before Ida had a chance to respond, she saw a black boot flying into her face, felt a piercing pain and the gush of blood, and looked down to behold her front teeth on the floor in a puddle of blood. “Pretty white teeth look better on the floor than in a filthy Jewish mouth,” said the SS officer. He commanded Ida to wipe the blood off the boot that knocked out her teeth and cheerfully walked away, humming a tune.
Ida quickly assessed her condition. She realized that a gaping hole in her mouth was a sight that an SS officer at a selection would not cherish. She walked over to the pile where thousands of dental bridges were thrown and hastily selected one. She placed it in her swollen mouth and returned to her assigned spot.
Under the Bed
That night in the barracks it was especially difficult to fall asleep. Heartbreaking screams were piercing the night, mingled with the wailing of children and mothers as they were torn away from each other. Slowly, the screams subsided and gave way to the usual deadly sounds of the Auschwitz night. Most of the girls in Ida’s barracks fell asleep.
Then there was a noise under Ida’s three-tiered bunk bed where 36 girls slept, 12 per bed, packed together like sardines. “All we need are rats, just to give them another reason to shoot us,” someone said. “Shut up, I am tired,” another voice complained. The noise persisted. “Ida, you are the brave one, go down and see what it is.” All the other eleven girls had to turn so that Ida could move from the spot where she had wedged herself in.
Under the bed, in a corner, curled up like a frightened porcupine, was a little girl. She told them that when the children’s Aktion began, she managed to run away and hide in the latrine among the piles of chlorine cans. When it became dark, she ran into the barracks and hid under the bed.
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The girl’s name was Estherke. She had big, blue frightened eyes, beautiful blond curls, and two deep dimples. Ida became instantly attached to the child and kept showing her off to all the others girls, exclaiming: “Doesn’t she look like a little actress?” The blockhova told Ida that she must give up the child, otherwise she, her sister, and maybe all the girls in the barracks would pay with their lives for harboring a little criminal.
Ida stood there clutching the child. “I will never give her up,” she said with determination. She walked over to the blockhova and asked to speak to her privately. “I know that your boyfriend is Jewish and assumed a false Aryan identity. Killing me, my sister, and others will not help. Other girls, and even men outside of this barracks, know it too. We will all keep quiet if you will help to save Estherke. During the day when we are at work, you must keep Estherke in your private room.”
The blockhova agreed. Ida had won her first battle for Estherke’s life.
Ida loved the child. All her thoughts focused on Estherke. To save that child became her obsession and purpose for living. Rumors began to circulate that Lager (camp) C in Ida’s camp would be evacuated. Ida became frantic. She knew that Estherke would not pass the selection for transfer from one Lager to another. With the help of her older sister, whom Estherke called Grandma, and men from the nearby Lager, Ida worked out a plan.
When the evacuation materialized, Ida wrapped Estherke in a blanket and threw her over the electrified fence into the waiting arms of a male inmate in the adjacent men’s camp. Later that afternoon, a package flew once more over the fence into Ida’s waiting arms. She got back her Estherke. Ida was now in Zigeunerlager (gypsy camp).
During that selection, however, Ida was separated from her sister, who, with a group of other girls, was taken away to an unknown destination. Again rumors spread in the camp that the eastern front was nearing and the entire camp was going to be evacuated. Ida began to plan once more how to save her little Estherke. On January 18, 1945, the camp was evacuated. Ida put Estherke into a knapsack that she had “organized” for this purpose. With Estherke on her back, she set out with the others on the dreadful death march.
The winds blew, the frost bit, the snow fell, and her stomach growled from hunger, but Ida marched on. At night she shared with Estherke whatever stale bread she had managed to conceal. She comforted the little girl, warmed her tiny frozen hands, and promised her that one day they would be free. After many days of marching and travel in open cattle cars, a few of the original group that began the death march on January 18, 1945, reached Bergen Belsen. Ida and her beloved Estherke were among them.
Reunion in Bergen Belsen
In Bergen Belsen, Ida found conditions even more difficult than in Auschwitz. With the evacuation of camps in the east, thousands of evacuated inmates were driven into Bergen Belsen. Absorbing all the evacuees was far beyond the camp’s capacity. Water was scarce; a few crumbs of stale bread and inadequate toilet facilities made life almost impossible. Filth, lice, starvation, and epidemics took over. Ida managed to find a job, for which she was given a piece of bread and a warm drink that they insisted on calling coffee.
One day, as Ida was cleaning the latrines, she heard a familiar voice calling her name. She looked around, but saw no one she knew. A face covered with blotches and lice, a body covered with rags, was coming closer to her while calling her name. Ida stepped backward. “Ida, don’t you recognize your own sister?”
Estherke was overjoyed. “Grandma” was back, the three of them were once more together, just like in Auschwitz. While Ida was out searching for food, Estherke and “Grandma” stayed together. But their happiness did not last long. “Grandma” succumbed to typhus. Estherke did not leave her side and tried to ease her suffering.
One day, while Ida was trying to get some coffee for her dying sister, the squad that came daily to collect the dead took the sister away with the other corpses. Estherke protested, insisting that her “grandma” was still alive. She pleaded, but to no avail. Estherke followed the squad, and when “Grandma” was dumped on the big pile of corpses, Estherke managed to pull her out from under the corpses and did what she could to warm her body with her own.
When Ida returned with the coffee and discovered that Estherke and her sister had been taken away with the dead, she felt her knees giving way as if she would collapse, but her weakness did not last long. Ida was not one to give in to despair. She took the coffee and began to search for Estherke and her sister, and there, near a pile of corpses, she found them.
Ida wasted no time. She gave the coffee to Estherke to guard. After mouth-to-mouth resuscitation, massage, and a few drops of coffee on her sister’s parched lips, Ida revived her. Thousands were dying, but with Ida’s and Estherke’s love, “Grandma” recovered. Their joy knew no limit.
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The girl’s name was Estherke. She had big, blue frightened eyes, beautiful blond curls, and two deep dimples. Ida became instantly attached to the child and kept showing her off to all the others girls, exclaiming: “Doesn’t she look like a little actress?” The blockhova told Ida that she must give up the child, otherwise she, her sister, and maybe all the girls in the barracks would pay with their lives for harboring a little criminal.
Ida stood there clutching the child. “I will never give her up,” she said with determination. She walked over to the blockhova and asked to speak to her privately. “I know that your boyfriend is Jewish and assumed a false Aryan identity. Killing me, my sister, and others will not help. Other girls, and even men outside of this barracks, know it too. We will all keep quiet if you will help to save Estherke. During the day when we are at work, you must keep Estherke in your private room.”
The blockhova agreed. Ida had won her first battle for Estherke’s life.
Ida loved the child. All her thoughts focused on Estherke. To save that child became her obsession and purpose for living. Rumors began to circulate that Lager (camp) C in Ida’s camp would be evacuated. Ida became frantic. She knew that Estherke would not pass the selection for transfer from one Lager to another. With the help of her older sister, whom Estherke called Grandma, and men from the nearby Lager, Ida worked out a plan.
When the evacuation materialized, Ida wrapped Estherke in a blanket and threw her over the electrified fence into the waiting arms of a male inmate in the adjacent men’s camp. Later that afternoon, a package flew once more over the fence into Ida’s waiting arms. She got back her Estherke. Ida was now in Zigeunerlager (gypsy camp).
During that selection, however, Ida was separated from her sister, who, with a group of other girls, was taken away to an unknown destination. Again rumors spread in the camp that the eastern front was nearing and the entire camp was going to be evacuated. Ida began to plan once more how to save her little Estherke. On January 18, 1945, the camp was evacuated. Ida put Estherke into a knapsack that she had “organized” for this purpose. With Estherke on her back, she set out with the others on the dreadful death march.
The winds blew, the frost bit, the snow fell, and her stomach growled from hunger, but Ida marched on. At night she shared with Estherke whatever stale bread she had managed to conceal. She comforted the little girl, warmed her tiny frozen hands, and promised her that one day they would be free. After many days of marching and travel in open cattle cars, a few of the original group that began the death march on January 18, 1945, reached Bergen Belsen. Ida and her beloved Estherke were among them.
Reunion in Bergen Belsen
In Bergen Belsen, Ida found conditions even more difficult than in Auschwitz. With the evacuation of camps in the east, thousands of evacuated inmates were driven into Bergen Belsen. Absorbing all the evacuees was far beyond the camp’s capacity. Water was scarce; a few crumbs of stale bread and inadequate toilet facilities made life almost impossible. Filth, lice, starvation, and epidemics took over. Ida managed to find a job, for which she was given a piece of bread and a warm drink that they insisted on calling coffee.
One day, as Ida was cleaning the latrines, she heard a familiar voice calling her name. She looked around, but saw no one she knew. A face covered with blotches and lice, a body covered with rags, was coming closer to her while calling her name. Ida stepped backward. “Ida, don’t you recognize your own sister?”
Estherke was overjoyed. “Grandma” was back, the three of them were once more together, just like in Auschwitz. While Ida was out searching for food, Estherke and “Grandma” stayed together. But their happiness did not last long. “Grandma” succumbed to typhus. Estherke did not leave her side and tried to ease her suffering.
One day, while Ida was trying to get some coffee for her dying sister, the squad that came daily to collect the dead took the sister away with the other corpses. Estherke protested, insisting that her “grandma” was still alive. She pleaded, but to no avail. Estherke followed the squad, and when “Grandma” was dumped on the big pile of corpses, Estherke managed to pull her out from under the corpses and did what she could to warm her body with her own.
When Ida returned with the coffee and discovered that Estherke and her sister had been taken away with the dead, she felt her knees giving way as if she would collapse, but her weakness did not last long. Ida was not one to give in to despair. She took the coffee and began to search for Estherke and her sister, and there, near a pile of corpses, she found them.
Ida wasted no time. She gave the coffee to Estherke to guard. After mouth-to-mouth resuscitation, massage, and a few drops of coffee on her sister’s parched lips, Ida revived her. Thousands were dying, but with Ida’s and Estherke’s love, “Grandma” recovered. Their joy knew no limit.
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Joy of Liberation
On April 15, 1945, Bergen Belsen was liberated by the British Army. The two sisters and Estherke made their way back home to Czechoslovakia, together with throngs of other refugees. They were all trying to go home, all hoping that perhaps other relatives had also survived and families could be reunited.
After finding a temporary shelter in Prague, the three set out in different directions to search for other surviving members of their families. Estherke traveled to Bratislava hoping that her father, mother, or some of her eight brothers and sisters had survived. Ida and her sister left with similar hopes for their family. The parting was painful for Ida. She and Estherke had not been separated since that fateful night in Auschwitz. The three agreed upon a time and place to meet no matter what the outcome of their search might be.
The two agreed-upon weeks passed. Ida and her sister returned to Prague as planned. But Estherke failed to return. They waited a few more days, but still there was no trace of her. Then Ida launched an intensive search. She traveled to Bratislava, but no one recalled seeing a child who matched Estherke’s description. Ida then contacted all children’s homes and refugee centers, but to no avail. Estherke had vanished without leaving behind a single trace or clue.
After months of search, Ida gave up. She met and married a young man, a survivor like herself. Her sister was fortunate too, for her husband had managed to survive the camps and one day they ran into each other on a street in Prague.
The sisters parted once more. Ida and her husband went to America. Her sister, her husband, and their newly born baby became part of the illegal immigration to Israel. They outmaneuvered the British blockade and finally reached the shores of Palestine.
Fainting in Tel Aviv
In the early 1950s, Ida traveled to the young state of Israel to visit her sister. One very hot day, Ida fainted on the street. Two young Israeli soldiers who happened to pass by picked her up from the pavement and took her in their jeep to the nearest hospital. The following day, the soldiers came in to see how their patient was doing. A friendship developed between Ida and the two soldiers, who continued to visit her daily.
As Ida was about to be discharged from the hospital, she asked the two young men how she could repay their kindness. The taller of the two, Yossi, told Ida that he was getting married in a few days. The biggest reward would be if she would come to his wedding.
“But I don’t know anyone!” she protested.
“You know me, and I am a pretty important man at this wedding,” Yossi said with his good-natured smile.
It was a beautiful dusk in Jerusalem. A gentle summer breeze scented with Jerusalem pine provided relief from the summer heat. The sun, like a huge orange, hung low above the Judean hills, which glowed in a beautiful pink-gray light. Ida was standing among the other guests hoping to find a familiar face.
“The bride is coming,” someone near her said. Ida made her way to the front so she could see the bride whom Yossi had described so lovingly. The door opened, the bride walked in. It was none other than her own long-lost Estherke!
Under the bright stars shining above the eternal city and the Judean hills, Ida stepped forward and led her beloved Estherke to the bridal canopy.
There was a strange presence in the air. Ida was sure that her father was present at this very holy moment in Jerusalem. She could even see the smile on his face and hear his gentle voice: “Whoever saves a single soul, it is as if he saves an entire universe.”/
Joy of Liberation
On April 15, 1945, Bergen Belsen was liberated by the British Army. The two sisters and Estherke made their way back home to Czechoslovakia, together with throngs of other refugees. They were all trying to go home, all hoping that perhaps other relatives had also survived and families could be reunited.
After finding a temporary shelter in Prague, the three set out in different directions to search for other surviving members of their families. Estherke traveled to Bratislava hoping that her father, mother, or some of her eight brothers and sisters had survived. Ida and her sister left with similar hopes for their family. The parting was painful for Ida. She and Estherke had not been separated since that fateful night in Auschwitz. The three agreed upon a time and place to meet no matter what the outcome of their search might be.
The two agreed-upon weeks passed. Ida and her sister returned to Prague as planned. But Estherke failed to return. They waited a few more days, but still there was no trace of her. Then Ida launched an intensive search. She traveled to Bratislava, but no one recalled seeing a child who matched Estherke’s description. Ida then contacted all children’s homes and refugee centers, but to no avail. Estherke had vanished without leaving behind a single trace or clue.
After months of search, Ida gave up. She met and married a young man, a survivor like herself. Her sister was fortunate too, for her husband had managed to survive the camps and one day they ran into each other on a street in Prague.
The sisters parted once more. Ida and her husband went to America. Her sister, her husband, and their newly born baby became part of the illegal immigration to Israel. They outmaneuvered the British blockade and finally reached the shores of Palestine.
Fainting in Tel Aviv
In the early 1950s, Ida traveled to the young state of Israel to visit her sister. One very hot day, Ida fainted on the street. Two young Israeli soldiers who happened to pass by picked her up from the pavement and took her in their jeep to the nearest hospital. The following day, the soldiers came in to see how their patient was doing. A friendship developed between Ida and the two soldiers, who continued to visit her daily.
As Ida was about to be discharged from the hospital, she asked the two young men how she could repay their kindness. The taller of the two, Yossi, told Ida that he was getting married in a few days. The biggest reward would be if she would come to his wedding.
“But I don’t know anyone!” she protested.
“You know me, and I am a pretty important man at this wedding,” Yossi said with his good-natured smile.
It was a beautiful dusk in Jerusalem. A gentle summer breeze scented with Jerusalem pine provided relief from the summer heat. The sun, like a huge orange, hung low above the Judean hills, which glowed in a beautiful pink-gray light. Ida was standing among the other guests hoping to find a familiar face.
“The bride is coming,” someone near her said. Ida made her way to the front so she could see the bride whom Yossi had described so lovingly. The door opened, the bride walked in. It was none other than her own long-lost Estherke!
Under the bright stars shining above the eternal city and the Judean hills, Ida stepped forward and led her beloved Estherke to the bridal canopy.
There was a strange presence in the air. Ida was sure that her father was present at this very holy moment in Jerusalem. She could even see the smile on his face and hear his gentle voice: “Whoever saves a single soul, it is as if he saves an entire universe.”/
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PlipPlop
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source?
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puzzleannie
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no there is another possibility, Judaism is true, revealed by God, and Christianity is also true, revealed by God, as the fulfilment of what He revealed first to the Jews, and into which fullness He invites the gentiles as well through the saving action of His Son.If Christianity is true Judaism must be false If Judaism is false how do you explain all of these miracles?
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The stories you relate (source would be appreciated, and short quotes with links to the longer articles) are wonderful stories of human goodness and courage, but not miracles, as they are within the reach of any human to attain who has the right motives and concern for his fellow man. They are not events of supernatural origin, but among the highest that humans can achieve on earth. They neither prove either religion true or false but demonstrate that what God has revealed first to the Jews, and then in its fullness to Christians is indeed the path to eternal life and to ultimate human goodness.
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Yerusalyim
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The premise of your argument is false…Judaism and Christianity are not mutually exclusive…especially from the Christian point of view. In the view of mainstream Christianity…to include the Catholic Church…The Jews are STILL God’s chosen people. It makes sense that God would continue to act through his people, Israel, even as he begins to act in his Gentile followers.If Christianity is true Judaism must be false If Judaism is false how do you explain all of these miracles?
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Splinker
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If it weren’t for stewardesses, I wouldn’t have any faith in Judaism.
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Nine_Two
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Apocryphal stories don’t really tell us much, do they?
Nor are coincidences miracles (I only read the first story).
That said even if a religion, such as modern judaism, is incorrect, that does not mean God will not work with its followers.
Nor are coincidences miracles (I only read the first story).
That said even if a religion, such as modern judaism, is incorrect, that does not mean God will not work with its followers.
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Nine_Two
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Christianity holds the Messiah has come.The premise of your argument is false…Judaism and Christianity are not mutually exclusive…especially from the Christian point of view. In the view of mainstream Christianity…to include the Catholic Church…The Jews are STILL God’s chosen people. It makes sense that God would continue to act through his people, Israel, even as he begins to act in his Gentile followers.
Judaism holds he has not.
Sounds mutually exclusive to me.
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@ Sagefrakrobatik
“If Christianity is true Judaism must be false”
Fallacy of the False Dilemna.
Christianity explicitly recognizes the Jews as the Chosen People, the People of the Covenant.
They failed to recognize Messiah when He came, but the Covenant still holds: they are God’s people.
“If Judaism is false how do you explain all of these miracles?”
Fallacy of False Definition.
These stories, even if true, are not miracles. They are testaments to God’s mercy, and to human faithfulness to God: but that does not make them miraculous events.
“Christianity holds the Messiah has come.
Judaism holds he has not.
Sounds mutually exclusive to me.”
Judaism and Christianity disagree on this one (very important) point. But both religions believe fervently in one God, and worship that God: and both religions believe in the coming of Messiah.
To dispute one point does not make the entire religions mutaully exclusive.
“If Christianity is true Judaism must be false”
Fallacy of the False Dilemna.
Christianity explicitly recognizes the Jews as the Chosen People, the People of the Covenant.
They failed to recognize Messiah when He came, but the Covenant still holds: they are God’s people.
“If Judaism is false how do you explain all of these miracles?”
Fallacy of False Definition.
These stories, even if true, are not miracles. They are testaments to God’s mercy, and to human faithfulness to God: but that does not make them miraculous events.
Also you have not shown any source for your stories. They might not be true. (Though I hope they are.)
@ Nine_Two“Christianity holds the Messiah has come.
Judaism holds he has not.
Sounds mutually exclusive to me.”
Judaism and Christianity disagree on this one (very important) point. But both religions believe fervently in one God, and worship that God: and both religions believe in the coming of Messiah.
To dispute one point does not make the entire religions mutaully exclusive.
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Nine_Two
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It wouldn’t if it were a minor point. It isn’t.@ Nine_Two
“Christianity holds the Messiah has come.
Judaism holds he has not.
Sounds mutually exclusive to me.”
Judaism and Christianity disagree on this one (very important) point. But both religions believe fervently in one God, and worship that God: and both religions believe in the coming of Messiah.
To dispute one point does not make the entire religions mutaully exclusive.
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Reepicheep
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Of course it isn’t minor. It’s a vital matter.
This still does not in any way make either religion a “false” religion.
This still does not in any way make either religion a “false” religion.
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Nine_Two
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To say Judaism is “false” is going overboard I agree, however they are in error, missing the fullfillment of their faith.Of course it isn’t minor. It’s a vital matter.
This still does not in any way make either religion a “false” religion.
That’s beside the point of my post.
Miracles don’t infer correctness.
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There is one God and He is the God of all and all are his children. He grants redemption to the Jew and the Gentile alike and it is even easier for the Gentile than for the Jew to get into the world to come. Therefore when God in His mercy provides similar miracles to a Christian or Moslem would you therefore posit that this now shows that Judaism is false?If Christianity is true Judaism must be false If Judaism is false how do you explain all of these miracles?
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Sagefrakrobatik
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Alot of Christians act as though Miracles only happen within christianity. The whole idea of a miracle is the act of a supernatural force, in most cases God intervening in the lives of indvidiuals. I set up a dicotomy between Christians and Judaism because the truth of the matter is that many Christians believe that God is not on the Jews side because they have not accept Jesus as the Messiah.
On one hand these maybe just very strong coincidences and nothing more On the other hand these can be examples of how God’s love and mercy is not limited to Christians.
Here is the source:
Jewish Book of Miracles
On one hand these maybe just very strong coincidences and nothing more On the other hand these can be examples of how God’s love and mercy is not limited to Christians.
Here is the source:
Jewish Book of Miracles
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jakasaki
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What does your title “etc” stand for under the religion parameter???Alot of Christians act as though Miracles only happen within christianity. The whole idea of a miracle is the act of a supernatural force, in most cases God intervening in the lives of indvidiuals. I set up a dicotomy between Christians and Judaism because the truth of the matter is that many Christians believe that God is not on the Jews side because they have not accept Jesus as the Messiah.
On one hand these maybe just very strong coincidences and nothing more On the other hand these can be examples of how God’s love and mercy is not limited to Christians.
Here is the source:
Jewish Book of Miracles
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Nine_Two
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There is no concept of God being on one side or another, rather it is a question of whether someone is on God’s side.Alot of Christians act as though Miracles only happen within christianity. The whole idea of a miracle is the act of a supernatural force, in most cases God intervening in the lives of indvidiuals. I set up a dicotomy between Christians and Judaism because the truth of the matter is that many Christians believe that God is not on the Jews side because they have not accept Jesus as the Messiah.
On one hand these maybe just very strong coincidences and nothing more On the other hand these can be examples of how God’s love and mercy is not limited to Christians.
Here is the source:
Jewish Book of Miracles
That said, the issue with the stories themselves as being proof of a thesis lies first and foremost with the fact that they are apocryphal.
God will act in the life of anyone, regardless of religion, who searches for him, however these stories don’t even show that.
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Yerusalyim
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Nope, we believe in the same God. While we look back to the time of the Messiah, they look forward. Within Christian theology God has NOT rejected the Jews…and within Jewish theology gentiles who abide by the Noahide covenant can be “saved”.Christianity holds the Messiah has come.
Judaism holds he has not.
Sounds mutually exclusive to me.
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