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TheLastProfit
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Orthodox is supposed to mean “the old way” so where do the orthodox Jews get their irregular practices such as, “Can’t push a button on Sunday” or “Can’t use electricity on Sunday?”
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Agripa
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From the Torah and the Laws as handed down to them from the time of Moses when god revealed himself to Moses and to over 5,000 Jews in the desert.
Specifically, the Talmud, Midrash, and innumerable related texts are strictly interpreted by the Orthodox and that is how they live. In no way would they deem such practices as irregular. I would encourage you to look at the books of Genesis and Leviticus to get at least an idea of early Jewish law, although Christian bibles hardly contain the wealth of religious texts that a rabbi would have in regards to their sacred laws and customs.
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Volodymyr
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ορθοδοξια (orthodoxia) is Greek. Does not mean “old way” means “right (correct) teaching”. Is not supposed to mean even “old way”.
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Agripa
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Is what is given by God ever “old” or is it timeless, and if timeless, is it not right for all time?
And in terms of time, if God gave the Jews the law 5000 years ago, that is surely old in terms of man looking back to that time, so man refers to it as “old”, but in terms of God, is it not timeless, right and good?
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puzzleannie
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the Torah speaks to all situations, including those that derive from modern life. The purpose of the Talmud, the traditions, teachings and other commentaries on the Law by rabbis through the ages is to apply the Law to new situations that arise. For instance when temple worship and return to Jerusalem was no longer possible after the destruction of Jerusalem and the diaspora, the Law was interpreted to give Jews a way to live and worship in their new circumstances. As other developments of modern technology arose, the unchanging Law was interpreted in light of those circumstances. So a light switch, automobile or elevator is compared to an artifact of work used in the times when the Law was written down, and a ruling is made by the rabbis. the commentary on their debates and rulings is as important in Jewish tradition as the Law itself and so is preserved and studied.
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Usbek_de_Perse
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First, its Saturday or properly between sundown Friday and sundown Saturday. They are not supposed to “work”. Work involves say, cooking eggs, but “fixing a bagel” with lox and cream cheese is not “work”. I am not sure what happens if you toast it.
You may be surprised to see that your kitchen range has a “Sabbath Mode”. Its not on the control panel, but it is in the instruction manual. It may be that not every range has one, but the last two I bought both had them. I’m not sure what it does, but I think it puts the oven on automatically.
Also, some condo buildings in Florida and New York have elevators that automatically stop at every floor on Saturday. Sounds like a pain if you live on the 20th floor, but well, that’s how it works.
My sister became an orthodox Jew.
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TheLastProfit
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Thanks for the info. Yea I was wondering about the Saturday - Sunday thing as well.
But I still think that some of their methods to integrating ancient and modern lifestyles is out there.
But I still think that some of their methods to integrating ancient and modern lifestyles is out there.
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Agripa
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Do you think the same of the Amish, Menonites, Shakers and so forth? “Out there”??Thanks for the info. Yea I was wondering about the Saturday - Sunday thing as well.
But I still think that some of their methods to integrating ancient and modern lifestyles is out there.
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Nine_Two
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The class I took last year which covered this topic, and which was full of errors on Christianity and Islam (so probably Judaism too) said that it was not a name they chose for themselves, but which was applied to them by outsiders. Given that the Orthodox Jewish movement originates in Eastern Europe there is a good chance they were simply named for the dominant Christian sect.
That said I don’t think anyone would object to being labelled to have correct belief, so they allow it to stick without complaint.
That said I don’t think anyone would object to being labelled to have correct belief, so they allow it to stick without complaint.
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TheLastProfit
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Amish, Menonites, Shakers - following their lead would you have the ability to be pissed at a computer today??
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Javl
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Please do not use that type of language or expression in these forums. It can get you banned.Amish, Menonites, Shakers - following their lead would you have the ability to be pissed at a computer today??
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Agripa
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Then I think you have little understandings of these faith traditions.Amish, Menonites, Shakers - following their lead would you have the ability to be pissed at a computer today??
Now I could care less what language you might use to mistakenly describe these people’s aversion to technology, but it is not an aversion borne of anger - although if all you know of them is through televesion, you might make that foolish assumption.
Perhaps you would do well to visit one of the many regions in the US where these people live, thrive and dedicate their lives to a way of life that is remarkable and valuable.
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TheLastProfit
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The Jewish Orthodox Church supports Iran’s right to have necular missiles and they deny that the holocaust ever happened. If you can’t remember something as significant as the holocaust from 60 years ago then don’t try and shove 5000 years of history in my face.
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Agripa
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No Jew is part of any Church, so I am not at all sure where you get this foolish information.
Some Orthodox Christians in that part of the world might support Iran’s attempt to possess such weapons where their political interest are shared with the Iranian state, but no Orthodox Jew supports this dangerous notion as it is a direct threat to Zion, to the Jewish peoples and to the Temple itself.
You are clearly confused. I suggest you read some literature not propounded by some antisemitic nutjob.
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TheLastProfit
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I’ll have you know that in America the Jewish people have been given everything that they could possibly ask for. It’s my ****** religion which has cost my people so much. And it’s true, I might not have been able to afford any fancy private schools, but just because your proud of your history don’t expect me to be ashamed of mine. My people have their own history. We have our own culture. We write that stuff in books too. And just because your smartfish and I have big muscles doesn’t give you any right to use me as a slave too.
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Agripa
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I certainly do not expect any people to be ashamed of their history - all histories are filled with the good and the bad, the great and the terrible deeds of its respective peoples.
My own came here as mere laborers, servants and paupers and fought for their rights and positions in this country like everyone has had to do.
As for the Jews, I hold them in deep respect for they have suffered much and have earned much in their place in history. And like it or not, if you accept the sacred writings of the Christian or the Hebrew, they are the Chosen Ones and that covenant has not been broken.
And nor will I play this game of “my religion is best”, for none of them are best, but are mearly different paths to God.
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TheLastProfit
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Who do you really think is playing this “my religon is the best game”
I would be the first to admit that my people have many faults but I’m not about to proclaim them inferior to anyone else, and neither should you.
I would be the first to admit that my people have many faults but I’m not about to proclaim them inferior to anyone else, and neither should you.
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TheLastProfit
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FYI your Iranian Nazi Jews were from America.
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TheLastProfit
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Jhark- I’m sorry if I caused confusion by referring to the Jewish Orthodox Faith as a united church. I was raised a Catholic and as so I always associate faith or organized religion with a church. I realize that the Jewish people call their church a synagogue but I use the word church as a general term referring to an organized religious order.
For the second part of your question my Native American and African American heritage has broadened my religious identity to several sects. Rastafarian being the most controversial. When I use the N word the server blocks it out, but as I said I’m not ashamed of my history.
For the second part of your question my Native American and African American heritage has broadened my religious identity to several sects. Rastafarian being the most controversial. When I use the N word the server blocks it out, but as I said I’m not ashamed of my history.
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TheLastProfit
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It’s true that my religious affiliation is contidictory; you have to be willing to face your oppressors. As a result I tend to get a lot of negative attention from both sides, but at least their writing about me.
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