Jewish Passover Question

[irenaeuslyons]

Is the statement below true about the Jewish observance of Passover?

“Jews perform a “remembrance” of the Passover with the belief that they are mystically and supernaturally transported back with Moses during the first Exodus.”

 

[otjm]

The term you are looking for is “anamnesis” It also applies to Catholics: " In a wider sense, anamnesis is a key concept in the liturgical theology: in worship the faithful recall God’s saving deeds. This memorial aspect is not simply a passive process but one by which the Christian can actually enter into the Paschal mystery."

 

[Pattylt]

Some do and some don’t…that’s not very helpful, I know! It is definitely a remembrance. During the Seder (worship and meal combined) the story of Exodus is retold and remembered in every prayer, action and glass of wine (minimum of four glasses). In my synagogue, I don’t ever remember being taught that we are mystically transported back in time, however. Just that we remember each event at least symbolically. Others may have been taught differently.

 

[meltzerboy2]

I was taught that we enter into the Passover ceremony as though we are actually present in Egypt as slaves, and not only our forebears. In other words, we directly were brought out of Egypt and by the hand of G-d Himself, not by an angel. We are there ourselves and we are liberated. Further, the liberation applies to all humanity who are enslaved to taskmasters, and not limited to the Jewish people.

 

[irenaeuslyons]

The term you are looking for is “anamnesis” It also applies to Catholics: " In a wider sense, anamnesis is a key concept in the liturgical theology: in worship the faithful recall God’s saving deeds. This memorial aspect is not simply a passive process but one by which the Christian can actually enter into the Paschal mystery."

Yes, that would be the term, and thank you for articulating the connection to the Paschal mystery.

 

[irenaeuslyons]

Some do and some don’t…that’s not very helpful, I know! It is definitely a remembrance. During the Seder (worship and meal combined) the story of Exodus is retold and remembered in every prayer, action and glass of wine (minimum of four glasses). In my synagogue, I don’t ever remember being taught that we are mystically transported back in time, however. Just that we remember each event at least symbolically. Others may have been taught differently.

Thanks PattyIt. On the contrary, it was very helpful

 

[irenaeuslyons]

I was taught that we enter into the Passover ceremony as though we are actually present in Egypt as slaves, and not only our forebears. In other words, we directly were brought out of Egypt and by the hand of G-d Himself, not by an angel. We are there ourselves and we are liberated. Further, the liberation applies to all humanity who are enslaved to taskmasters, and not limited to the Jewish people.

That’s beautiful. Thank you

 

[Pattylt]

I don’t ever remember being told that? It’s possible I’ve forgotten…or didn’t pay attention (quite likely)! Do you know if that’s the common teaching? I remember our seders very well but I just don’t remember being told that we to be actually be back in Egypt… imagine it, yes, but not as you described.

 

[OurLadyofSorrows]

I was taught that we enter into the Passover ceremony as though we are actually present in Egypt as slaves, and not only our forebears. In other words, we directly were brought out of Egypt and by the hand of G-d Himself, not by an angel. We are there ourselves and we are liberated. Further, the liberation applies to all humanity who are enslaved to taskmasters, and not limited to the Jewish people.

I was also told, because there is no Temple, Passover has become Seder, as Passover itself cannot be celebrated without the Temple?

Is the statement below true about the Jewish observance of Passover?

This is a really good documentary on Passover
https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/judaism/holydays/passover_1.shtml

 

[meltzerboy2]

I believe it is common teaching. We are there; it is not merely a remembrance of our ancestors. We closely identify with and become the suffering and then liberated slaves of the Exodus. At least that is the way I learned it.

 

[meltzerboy2]

I would not say Passover cannot be celebrated without the Temple, because the Jewish belief is that the Law resides in the hearts, minds, souls, prayers, and worldly actions of the people, and is not dependent on the Temple or on the synagogue of today.

 

[Crocus]

retold and remembered in every prayer, action and glass of wine (minimum of four glasses).

Awesome. Is there a meaning to the number of glasses; are they shared, or one (or all) must consume? (I might need to use a very small glass myself.)

 

[Pattylt]

Your probably right and I just never picked up on it. Like I said, I remember being told at several points to imagine this or that scene…having to smear the lambs blood, having to rush to pack up to leave, the bitter herbs and our our tears…perhaps they were telling me this and I just wasn’t getting it! I was a very good Orthodox Jew…until I wasn’t! But I don’t think I quite grasped this view of the Seder! Shame on me!

 

[Pattylt]

There are points in the Seder where you must at least sip the wine. There is no requirement to finish each glass even if my uncle Ben insisted it was the rule!

 

[meltzerboy2]

This is another point that I learned differently. I was taught that we must consume the four glasses of wine, although admittedly I do not.

 

[Diaconia]

Some do and some don’t…that’s not very helpful, I know! It is definitely a remembrance.

The Haggadah, or “telling” of the story of the Exodus includes the people at the Seder, and not just our ancestors:

We were delivered from bondage,
Our houses were passed over by the angel,
The bread did not have time to rise because we left in haste…

All Catholics should study and experience a Seder meal to better understand the Last Supper and where the Eucharist comes from.

Deacon Christopher

 

[EndTimes]

Is the statement below true about the Jewish observance of Passover?

“Jews perform a “remembrance” of the Passover with the belief that they are mystically and supernaturally transported back with Moses during the first Exodus.”

Interesting question…

Since many Jewish practices of today’s era of Rabbinal Judaism differ from practices during Jewish Jesus’ 1st Century AD time… Can any compare them with that statement…?

 

[7_Sorrows]

This is another point that I learned differently. I was taught that we must consume the four glasses of wine, although admittedly I do not.

Don’t they also set a chair at the seder table for Eliah?
@meltzerboy2

 

[Diaconia]

Yes, a place is set for Elijah.

 

[meltzerboy2]

Yes, I believe so, although my family never does Elijah that honor; but instead only leaves the door a little open so he can enter and sip some of the wine from his own cup. I guess we figure that’s enough hospitality.