Jewish People and Homosexuals

[Icarus210]

To understand the relationship between the Jews and Hitler, a british parliamentarian and war hero wrote a book. He was jailed without trial or reason.

The book is called

THE NAMELESS WAR

By

CAPTAIN A.H.M. RAMSAY

I bought it from our parish book shop

sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/nameless/intro.shtml

It tells the history you dont read in the history books. Actually that site above has the whole book on the web.

 

[Abira]

To understand the relationship between the Jews and Hitler, a british parliamentarian and war hero wrote a book. He was jailed without trial or reason.

The book is called

THE NAMELESS WAR

By

CAPTAIN A.H.M. RAMSAY

I bought it from our parish book shop

sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/nameless/intro.shtml

It tells the history you dont read in the history books. Actually that site above has the whole book on the web.

you sent a person who is trying to address those issues he has with Jews a link to a book, denounced as hateful by Jews worldwide…that describes a supposed conspiracy plot by jews to take over the Christian world through causing reformations throughout history!!!

Hardly the best for him to start is it??? I could also suggest learning about evolution by studying bigfoot! This is hardly widely accepted by Historians!

 

[bpbasilphx]

But from what I see two catholics in WW2 Hitler and Mussolini Did not seem to like them.

Catholic is as Catholic does–and neither Hitler nor Mussolini did.

 

[Icarus210]

Abira Senior Member

you sent a person who is trying to address those issues he has with Jews a link to a book, denounced as hateful by Jews worldwide…that describes a supposed conspiracy plot by jews to take over the Christian world through causing reformations throughout history!!!

Funny, the Jews denounced Christ as well. That “supposed” conspiracy led him to spend a few years in jaol without charge or trial. They have a habit of "denouncing anything critical of their religion… and we happily oblige.

 

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Hitler was born Catholic but never practiced. Therfore he wasn’t a true Catholic. Besides, the opinions that individual “Catholics” have about jews is their greatly mislead opinions. Don’t assume that all Catholics have the same opinions or beleive what Hitler or people like him beleive. Find out what the Church has to say about this subject by asking some Preists before making generalizations like that.
And about gays, Jesus told us to “love the sinner but hate the sin.” They are not born gay but born into temptation. We all are tempted at some degree or another. That is not a sin. Acting upon those temptations is a sin. If it is my feelings to rob a bank or murder my family should I? No because it is wrong. I should fight the temptation because that is what the Bible says is right and is what Jesus did when He was tempted in the desert.

“He who hears you hears me, he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects Him who sent me.”

 

[Renton405]

I’m talking about Homosexuals in the bible it states Homosexuals shall be killed, And I was wondering about Jewish people all Muslims and Catholics I know dont have a good impression of them

I think the OP is talking about the OT law, where homosexuals and adulters were usually stoned to death…

 

[Icarus210]

Besides, the opinions that individual “Catholics” have about jews is their greatly mislead opinions

Most catholics are referring to the “religion” NOT the individual… Well I am anyway. To hate anybody because of their religion is an undeniable sin. But we can have a holy hatred for sin and things “anti-catholic”. That unfortunately is mostly read as a racist or antisemitic.

 

[Abira]

But we can have a holy hatred for sin and things “anti-catholic”. That unfortunately is mostly read as a racist or antisemitic.

I don’t know what you mean by a holy hatred which would mislead people into thinking you racist or antisemtitic…

as Christians are called to hate nobody, to love our enemy.

43"You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44But I tell you: Love your enemies** and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

I don’t believe in ‘holy’ hatred or hate of any kind.**

 

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Re: I don’t know what you mean by a holy hatred which would mislead people into thinking you racist or antisemtitic… I’m sorry but I didn’t write anything about holy hatred or racism or antisemtitic. But I do agree with you that as Christians we shouldn’t hate anybody.The person who wrote about “holy hatred” didn’t say that we should hate people, he said, "But we can have a holy hatred for sin and things “anti-catholic”.

 

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Re: I don’t know what you mean by a holy hatred which would mislead people into thinking you racist or antisemtitic… I’m sorry but I didn’t write anything about holy hatred or racism or antisemtitic. But I do agree with you that as Christians we shouldn’t hate anybody.The person who wrote about “holy hatred” didn’t say that we should hate people, he said, "But we can have a holy hatred for sin and things “anti-catholic”.

 

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Re: I don’t know what you mean by a holy hatred which would mislead people into thinking you racist or antisemtitic… I’m sorry but I didn’t write anything about holy hatred or racism or antisemtitic. But I do agree with you that as Christians we shouldn’t hate anybody.The person who wrote about “holy hatred” didn’t say that we should hate people, he said, "But we can have a holy hatred for sin and things “anti-catholic”.

 

[bpbasilphx]

I continually here the argument about well that’s how they feel or that’s the way they were born. Well consider this a kleptomaniac has feelings for stealing

Obviously, jt6444, you understand neither human sexuality in general (much less homosexuality) nor kleptomania. The two are not related at all.

 

[Janet_S]

Obviously, jt6444, you understand neither human sexuality in general (much less homosexuality) nor kleptomania. The two are not related at all.

Do people with same-sex attractions lose their free will? Why are they set apart from the rest of the world as people who cannot achieve self mastery, who are destined to a particular lifestyle? They are called to a life of chastity, like we all are.

And furthermore, the claim of a “gay gene” is a myth. It has never been proven.

narth.com/docs/080307Abbott_NARTH_article.pdf

Up to the present time no one has been able to relate any aspect of human social behavior to any specific gene or set of genes, and no one has ever suggested an experimental plan for doing so. Thus, all statements about the genetic basis of human social traits are necessarily purely speculative no matter how positive they seem to be.

p. 251, Lewontin et al, Not in Our Genes

 

[bpbasilphx]

JanetS, I would NOT consider NARTH to be a reliable source of information.

Its founder, Dr. Charles Socarides, claims that homosexuals come from dysfunctional families with smothering parents, and he is just the man to fix them.

But Dr. S’s adult son Richard is himself openly gay.

What does this say about Dr. Socarides’s clinical theories, professional expertise, or even parenting skills? If he can’t make his own son grow up to be heterosexual, how can he make anyone else’s son heterosexual?

However, he might know something about dyfunctional families. He himself has been married and divorced three times.

Furthermore, there is no such thing as “the gay lifestyle” any more than there is “the heterosexual lifestyle.” Not all homosexuals are promiscuous, or even sexually active.

But as we all know, heterosexuals are known for their chastity and monogamy.

 

[Seatuck]

JanetS, I would NOT consider NARTH to be a reliable source of information.

Its founder, Dr. Charles Socarides, claims that homosexuals come from dysfunctional families with smothering parents, and he is just the man to fix them.

But Dr. S’s adult son Richard is himself openly gay.

What does this say about Dr. Socarides’s clinical theories, professional expertise, or even parenting skills? If he can’t make his own son grow up to be heterosexual, how can he make anyone else’s son heterosexual?

However, he might know something about dyfunctional families. He himself has been married and divorced three times.

Furthermore, there is no such thing as “the gay lifestyle” any more than there is “the heterosexual lifestyle.” Not all homosexuals are promiscuous, or even sexually active.

But as we all know, heterosexuals are known for their chastity and monogamy.

What better person to learn from - a man who made mistakes and learned from them.

 

[Steadfast_love]

Psalm 11:5
The LORD tests the righteous and the wicked,
and his soul **hates **him that loves violence.

Psalm 26:5
I **hate **the company of evildoers,
and I will not sit with the wicked.

Psalm 31:6
Thou **hatest **those who pay regard to vain idols;
but I trust in the LORD.

Psalm 45:7
you love righteousness and **hate **wickedness.
Therefore God, your God, has anointed you
with the oil of gladness above your fellows;

Psalm 97:10
The LORD loves those who **hate **evil;
he preserves the lives of his saints;
he delivers them from the hand of the wicked.

Psalm 101:3
I will not set before my eyes
anything that is base.
I hate the work of those who fall away;
it shall not cleave to me.

Psalm 119:104
Through thy precepts I get understanding;
therefore I **hate **every false way.

Psalm 119:113
I **hate **double-minded men,
but I love thy law.

Psalm 119:128
Therefore I direct my steps by all thy precepts;
I **hate **every false way.

Psalm 119:163
I **hate **and abhor falsehood,
but I love thy law.

Psalm 139:21-22
Do I not **hate **them that hate thee, O LORD?
And do I not loathe them that rise up against thee?
I **hate **them with perfect hatred;
I count them my enemies.

You know what I hate? Threads with too many topics.

 

[Janet_S]

JanetS, I would NOT consider NARTH to be a reliable source of information.

Its founder, Dr. Charles Socarides, claims that homosexuals come from dysfunctional families with smothering parents, and he is just the man to fix them.

But Dr. S’s adult son Richard is himself openly gay.

What does this say about Dr. Socarides’s clinical theories, professional expertise, or even parenting skills? If he can’t make his own son grow up to be heterosexual, how can he make anyone else’s son heterosexual?

However, he might know something about dyfunctional families. He himself has been married and divorced three times.

Furthermore, there is no such thing as “the gay lifestyle” any more than there is “the heterosexual lifestyle.” Not all homosexuals are promiscuous, or even sexually active.

But as we all know, heterosexuals are known for their chastity and monogamy.

Having sexual relations with people of the same sex is the gay lifestyle. I never mentioned anything about promiscuity (having multiple sexual partners.) This is a bad idea for everyone, I won’t disagree with you there.

This is The Catholic Answers Forum. It shouldn’t surprise you when someone on this forum gives you an answer that actually agrees with the Magisterium of the Church. All of us are called to live a chaste life. Sex is sacred and should be reserved for marriage.

I’ve never heard of anyone who died for lack of sex. Even if people have attractions towards people of the same sex, they have free will and do not have to give in to every impulse they have.

The information about NARTH is an interesting sideline, but it doesn’t change the fact that no one has ever discovered a “gay gene.” Gay people have free will and have the ability to control themselves. You insult them if you think they can’t.

There is a support group for Catholics with same-sex attractions. It is called Courage.

 

[Abira]

Re: I don’t know what you mean by a holy hatred which would mislead people into thinking you racist or antisemtitic… I’m sorry but I didn’t write anything about holy hatred or racism or antisemtitic. But I do agree with you that as Christians we shouldn’t hate anybody.The person who wrote about “holy hatred” didn’t say that we should hate people, he said, "But we can have a holy hatred for sin and things “anti-catholic”.

hiya password…ive no idea why you thought i was addressing you, I quoted and replied to a completetly different posters comment…its quoted in my post directly above this one…from icarus i think the quote was

take care, S

 

[Abira]

Psalm 11:5
The LORD tests the righteous and the wicked,
and his soul **hates **him that loves violence.

Psalm 26:5
I **hate **the company of evildoers,
and I will not sit with the wicked.

Psalm 31:6
Thou **hatest **those who pay regard to vain idols;
but I trust in the LORD.

Psalm 45:7
you love righteousness and **hate **wickedness.
Therefore God, your God, has anointed you
with the oil of gladness above your fellows;

Psalm 97:10
The LORD loves those who **hate **evil;
he preserves the lives of his saints;
he delivers them from the hand of the wicked.

Psalm 101:3
I will not set before my eyes
anything that is base.
I hate the work of those who fall away;
it shall not cleave to me.

Psalm 119:104
Through thy precepts I get understanding;
therefore I **hate **every false way.

Psalm 119:113
I **hate **double-minded men,
but I love thy law.

Psalm 119:128
Therefore I direct my steps by all thy precepts;
I **hate **every false way.

Psalm 119:163
I **hate **and abhor falsehood,
but I love thy law.

Psalm 139:21-22
Do I not **hate **them that hate thee, O LORD?
And do I not loathe them that rise up against thee?
I **hate **them with perfect hatred;
I count them my enemies.

You know what I hate? Threads with too many topics.

lol, good old testament quotes there, but i don’t see any words from Jesus and the new covenant there, if you find any let me know…

amen to the last line lol.

S

 

[Abira]

Re: I don’t know what you mean by a holy hatred which would mislead people into thinking you racist or antisemtitic… I’m sorry but I didn’t write anything about holy hatred or racism or antisemtitic. But I do agree with you that as Christians we shouldn’t hate anybody.The person who wrote about “holy hatred” didn’t say that we should hate people, he said, "But we can have a holy hatred for sin and things “anti-catholic”.

see posts 27 and 28 on this thread and it should be clear that it is obviously unrelated to anything you said…else i’d have quoted you wouldn’t I? lol

take are, S

ps…plus your three identical posts kinda got the message out anyways lol