Jewish Temple has been rebuilt

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Am I the only Catholic (or Jew) who thinks this way? As I pondered the rumor of the rebuilding of the Jewish temple to be a place to worship God and to offer blood sacrifices, the first since 70 AD, it occurred to me that this will never happen as Jesus has rebuilt His Temple and it is called the Catholic Church. One of its biggest "synagogues’ is in Rome. There are others. “Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church”.

A place to put the Ark of the Covenant is not needed either as the Ark or Word of God resides in the Tabernacle in His Temple(s).

Animal sacrifice also is not needed as Jesus is the ultimate sacrifice which made any other blood atonement UN-necessary.

If a Jewish temple is rebuilt in replica of the one destroyed in 70 AD, it would probably be a temporary housing for the Enemy of Jesus, until Jesus comes again in Glory.

Either Jesus, the Messiah, has come in the flesh or He has not. It can’t be both ways.

These thoughts occurred to me while listening to the audio testimony of Roy Schoeman, “Salvation is from the Jews”. Please give him a listen.

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Am I the only Catholic (or Jew) who thinks this way? As I pondered the rumor of the rebuilding of the Jewish temple to be a place to worship God and to offer blood sacrifices, the first since 70 AD, it occurred to me that this will never happen as Jesus has rebuilt His Temple and it is called the Catholic Church. One of its biggest "synagogues’ is in Rome. There are others. “Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church”.

A place to put the Ark of the Covenant is not needed either as the Ark or Word of God resides in the Tabernacle in His Temple(s).

Animal sacrifice also is not needed as Jesus is the ultimate sacrifice which made any other blood atonement UN-necessary.

If a Jewish temple is rebuilt in replica of the one destroyed in 70 AD, it would probably be a temporary housing for the Enemy of Jesus, until Jesus comes again in Glory.

Either Jesus, the Messiah, has come in the flesh or He has not. It can’t be both ways.

These thoughts occurred to me while listening to the audio testimony of Roy Schoeman, “Salvation is from the Jews”. Please give him a listen.

dona
You’ve very good ideas there! I agree with you completely here. At least, I think Hebrews 8 might support this (English Standard Version):

Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven a minister in the holy places, in the true tent that the Lord set up, not man. For every high priest is appointed to offer gifts and sacrifices; thus it is necessary for this priest also to have something to offer. Now if he were on earth, he would not be a priest at all, since there are priests who offer gifts according to the law. They serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things. For when Moses was about to erect the tent, he was instructed by God, saying, “See that you make everything according to the pattern that was shown you on the mountain.” But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.

For he finds fault with them when he says:

Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah,
not like the covenant that I made with their fathers
on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt.
For they did not continue in my covenant,
and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws into their minds,
and write them on their hearts,
and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor
and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
for they shall all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
For I will be merciful toward their iniquities,
and I will remember their sins no more.


In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
 
I dont know exact dates, but there have been a few attempts st rebuilding teh temple, all being halted by natural disasters (If anyone could site sources that would be nice)
 
I dont know exact dates, but there have been a few attempts st rebuilding teh temple, all being halted by natural disasters (If anyone could site sources that would be nice)
Let’s see if memory serves me correctly…

Julian the Apostate, one of the sons (or grandsons) of Constantine, tried to rebuild the temple. An earthquake put a sudden halt to that project. This would place the event in the mid to late 4th century.
 
Let’s see if memory serves me correctly…

Julian the Apostate, one of the sons (or grandsons) of Constantine, tried to rebuild the temple. An earthquake put a sudden halt to that project. This would place the event in the mid to late 4th century.
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Hebrews 8 might support this (English Standard Version):

Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven a minister in the holy places, in the true tent that the Lord set up, not man. For every high priest is appointed to offer gifts and sacrifices; thus it is necessary for this priest also to have something to offer. Now if he were on earth, he would not be a priest at all, since there are priests who offer gifts according to the law. They serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things. For when Moses was about to erect the tent, he was instructed by God, saying, “See that you make everything according to the pattern that was shown you on the mountain.” But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.

For he finds fault with them when he says:

Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah,
not like the covenant that I made with their fathers
on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt.
For they did not continue in my covenant,
and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws into their minds,
and write them on their hearts,
and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor
and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
for they shall all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
For I will be merciful toward their iniquities,
and I will remember their sins no more.


In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Yes, this is Key NT text … plus Chp. 9 & 10 that follow.

Heb 10:11-22 And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sarifices, WHICH CAN NEVER TAKE AWAY SINS. But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, then to wait until his enemies should be made a stool for his feet. For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying, “This is the COVENANT that I will make with them AFTER THOSE DAYS, says the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” then he adds, “I will remember their sins and there misdeeds no more.” Where there is forgiveness of these, THERE IS NO LONGER ANY OFFERING FOR SIN. Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to ENTER THE SANCTUARY BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS, by the new and living way which he opened for us THROUGH THE CURTAIN, THAT IS, THROUGH HIS FLESH, and since we have a GREAT PRIEST OVER THE HOUSE OF GOD, let us draw near with true heart in FULL ASSURANCE OF FAITH, with our hearts SPRINKLED CLEAN from an evil conscience and our BODIES WASHED WITH PURE WATER.

It would seem Paul wrote this. We know Paul was OT expert. Clearly he had gone back and studied ALL the OT prophesy … saw it ALL fulfilled in Christ, and is telling the Jews its time to take their religion to the next level. The OT is superceded by in the New Covenant. And 2000 yrs of subsequent world history support this conclusion. The Jews are still being ‘punished’ for their failure to read and accept the New Covenant.

Nevertheless, it is only by God’s grace that the Gentiles were ‘grafted’ into the Olive Tree of life. It should be our mission to deliver the Jews into the New Testament Temple. So far we haven’t done so good a job. Is it our fault, or is it the stubborness of the Hebrews that they refuse to read and consider the NT ? We know God would never deny grace to an openminded Jew, and we have a small # of Jews for Jesus today. Something BIG will need to happen to convince the Jewish Nation to ‘rethink’ their faith. Maybe it will be their attempting to rebuild Temple #3 … and finding that resumption of the OT animal sacrifices is abhorrent to God, and they are causing the Great Abomination of Desolation spoken of in prophesy. If they were punished for ‘restarting’ the OT tradition … this would surely get their attention, and might be their ‘epiphany’ moment. Also, Rapture of the Church would convince them.

I still need to review ALL the OT prophesy once more … with my newly gained Catholic vision, and see if there is any prophesy that could possible suggest a 3rd Jewish Temple, that would be blessed of God. What I’ve reviewed so far … clearly can be viewed in NT / Book Hebrews terms. Once the ‘curtain’ was torn & Christ’s blood shed … I don’t think ‘animal’ sacrifices will ever be tolerated again for the Jews by God.
 
Jesus refers to the holy “place” and says that there must be correct understanding of what He is saying. He does not say the “temple”, but refers to the holy “place”: [Matthew 24:15]

Pronunciation Guide
topos {top’-os}
TDNT Reference Root Word
TDNT - 8:187,1184
Outline of Biblical Usage
  1. place, any portion or space marked off, as it were from surrounding space
    a) an inhabited place, as a city, village, district
    b) a place (passage) in a book
Pronunciation Guide
anaginosko {an-ag-in-oce’-ko}
TDNT Reference Root Word
TDNT - 1:343,55
from 303 and 1097
Outline of Biblical Usage
  1. to distinguish between, to recognise, to know accurately, to acknowledge
  2. to read
Pronunciation Guide
noeo {no-eh’-o}
TDNT Reference Root Word
TDNT - 4:948,636
from 3563
Outline of Biblical Usage
  1. to perceive with the mind, to understand, to have understanding
  2. to think upon, heed, ponder, consider
The Place of the Lord’s Sanctuary
Daniel’s visions reference the same place at the time of the end. [Daniel 8:11, 8:13]

Pronunciation Guide
makown {maw-kone’}
TWOT Reference Root Word
TWOT - 964c
from 03559
Outline of Biblical Usage
  1. fixed or established place, foundation
    a) fixed place
    b) foundation
Pronunciation Guide
miqdash {mik-dawsh’}
TWOT Reference Root Word
TWOT - 1990f
from 06942
Outline of Biblical Usage
  1. sacred place, sanctuary, holy place
    a) of the temple
    b) of the tabernacle
    c) of Ezekiel’s temple
    d) of Jehovah
The temple of the man of lawlessness
Paul’s reference to the man of lawlessness and the temple he will sit in. [2Thessolonians 2:4]

Pronunciation Guide
naos {nah-os’}
TDNT Reference Root Word
TDNT - 4:880,625
from a primary naio (to dwell)
Outline of Biblical Usage
  1. used of the temple at Jerusalem, but only of the sacred edifice (or sanctuary) itself, consisting of the Holy place and the Holy of Holies (in classical Greek it is used of the sanctuary or cell of the temple, where the image of gold was placed which is distinguished from the whole enclosure)
  2. any heathen temple or shrine
  3. metaph. the spiritual temple consisting of the saints of all ages joined together by and in Christ
**The “holy place” referred to in the setting of the coming 70th week decreed for Israel is the temple mount area and not a rebuilt edifice [a temple of the Lord’s on the earth]. The actual temple was destroyed in the first century and is no longer there. The Lord has said that not one stone would be left standing of His first century temple and this fact is still true today … and will be during His coming hour [time] of trial and judgment. It was destroyed during the Roman invasions of 70 A.D. [Matthew 24:1-2]

Satan’s “man of lawlessness” will sit in the temple of “his” god, showing that he is god [either the Muslim Dome of the Rock or the Al Aqsa Mosque]. Paul understood the relationship between a pagan god and the related heathen temple. [2Thessalonians 2:4]

There are no instructions contained in scripture to rebuild a temple for the Lord before He establishes His millennial Kingdom on the earth. There are instructions for rebuilding in this future time frame just after the 70th week decreed for Israel. [Ezekiel 40-48]

The Lord’s temple is seen in Revelation several times during the coming tribulation period of His wrath upon earth, but it is His temple in heaven and not one on the earth. In fact, the outer court of the temple mount on the earth is “without” His temple and the mount [court] will be trampled [controlled] by satan’s little horn/beast and his human followers [the adherents of Islam] during his 42 month [1,260 day] rule. [Matthew 24:15-16; 2Thessalonians 2:3-12; Revelation 11:1-19; 13:1-8; 14:15-17; 15:5-8; 16:17]

The first 1,260 days of the 70th week decreed for Israel will include satan’s bid for control over the earth through his angelic agents and human followers. This period will be an extreme time of devastation and destruction including the fall of the “great city” [civilization] of the Gentiles [nations] and the release of millions of satan’s angelic hosts. [Revelation 8; 9; 14; 17; 18]

The Lord will continue to harbor [protect] national Israel from invasion and occupation and this has been the case since 1948. His protection will continue until just before the middle of the coming 70th week. [Jeremiah 30; Ezekiel 38:8-16; Zechariah 14]

Satan’s followers will then be in position without opposition to invade, occupy, and add the holy land, Jerusalem, and the temple mount area to the dominion of his man of lawlessness, the little horn/beast, king of the northern Middle East.**
 
Satan’s “man of lawlessness” will sit in the temple of “his” god, showing that he is god [either the Muslim Dome of the Rock or the Al Aqsa Mosque]. Paul understood the relationship between a pagan god and the related heathen temple. [2Thessalonians 2:4]

The Lord will continue to harbor [protect] national Israel from invasion and occupation and this has been the case since 1948. His protection will continue until just before the middle of the coming 70th week. [Jeremiah 30; Ezekiel 38:8-16; Zechariah 14]

Satan’s followers will then be in position without opposition to invade, occupy, and add the holy land, Jerusalem, and the temple mount area to the dominion of his man of lawlessness, the little horn/beast, king of the northern Middle East.
Interesting interpretation.
 
Hmm. I was just thinking last night that brb and Stephen5 should have their own forum. . . . call it “the gospel is a math puzzle” or something.
 
Hmm. I was just thinking last night that brb and Stephen5 should have their own forum. . . . call it “the gospel is a math puzzle” or something.
Well, scripture is replete with NUMEROLOGY. Many ECF’s majored in discovering the ‘math puzzle’ jewels in scripture. Later, Sir Isaac Newton and many other Renaissance math whizzes were into ‘scriptural math’.

We keep good company … 😃
 
Yes the Temple has been rebuilt - it is the Body of Christ- in the Catholic church and in the Eucharist.
 
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