Jewish texts on Jesus' Divinity and condemnation of Christians

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I was trying to find a Jewish text that denies Jesus’ divinity and condemns believers to hell in the same way the Quran does:

They do blaspheme who say: “Allah is Christ the son of Mary.” But said Christ: “O Children of Israel! worship Allah my Lord and your Lord.” Whoever joins other gods with Allah - Allah will forbid him the garden and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help…
– Sura 5:72
Jay,

There are Jewish websites that do deny Jesus was God, or, at least, condemn the belief that Jesus is God. These sites, more or less, represent the major view of Jesus in Judaism. You can find some of these sites here, here, and here.

In Judaism, it is believed that those who worship false gods go to gehenna, spending their time in pig poop (yuck!). But it is a fitting punishment, since Jews consider gentiles to be the pigs of the world - and since pigs are regarded as the filthiest animals in the world, you can understand how Judaism feels about idolters. And since Jews consider Christians to be idolters, because we worship Jesus, you can see where they believe we’ll end up if we do not repent from idoltry.

Jews do not believe that gehenna is eternal, but rather, temporal, similar to purgatory, but where all souls go to be judged in fire, and then, purified, enter into the world to come (paradise, heaven). Jews believe that God is so merciful that He cannot condemn anyone to an eternity separated from Him, and, because His will always prevails, it is believed that if even one soul was condemned to gehenna for eternity, than God would not be omnipotent, and becuase God is omnipotent, it cannot be that any soul is in gehenna for eternity. It is believed that the longest one can stay in gehenna is eleven months, because - and this is my opinion only - the number twelve mystically symbolizes perfection (and the purified soul is regarded as perfected, freed from sin). And this is why Jews do not try to convert others: not just because they consider themselves slave of the law, the law of Moses being regarded as a burden, but because they believe all souls will enter paradise, eventually.

An interesting note on the Islamic hell is that unfaithful Muslims - that is, those who only appeared to submit to God (hypocrites and two-faced people) - will only be in hell temporarily, for, if they have faith even the size of an atom, they will be saved and enter paradise on Judgment Day. However, those who commit polytheism - the Islamic equivalent of the unforgivable sin - will not be saved in the end but spend eternity in hell. The reasons behind these beliefs is very easy to discover: Hypocrisy is the worst of the major sins in Islam, yet Allah is considered All-Merciful so he forgives this sin; however, worship and belief in other gods is a sin which Allah cannot forgive - not because God cannot forgive the sin, but because the believer or unbeliever will not accept the mercy of Allah even if it were presented to him or her, because he or she dose not believe God is God but a false god. The reason polytheism is regarded as the unforgivable sin - or the equivalent of it - is because the angel Gabriel, whom Muslims call the Holy Spirit (yes, the equivalent of the Spirit of the Lord in Judaism and Christianity), is regarded as the bringer of God’s message (which is basically “There is no God save the God”), and so, those who blasphemize against the Holy Spirit (the angel Gabriel) do not accept Allah’s messeger, and not accepting his messenger, cannot enter paradise, for they have rejected Allah: similar to how we Christians believe that those who know yet reject the gospel cannot be saved, unless they repent for their sin. Muslims do believe polytheists can repent, but, as I said, come Judgment Day unrepentant unfaithful Muslims will not be released from hell along with the other damned souls but will suffer for eternity. It is an ingenious method to scare believers into not leaving Islam, and to scare believers into not embracing Christianity, because Christians are regarded as polytheists (who worship Jesus beside God), which is similiar to, but not the same as, Judaism regarding Christians as idolters (who worship Jesus as God).
 
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace
… to scare believers into not embracing Christianity,
If I make idol of Prophet Muhammed (p) , bow down in front of that idol , start praying to Muhammed (p) & die without sincere repentance , I will be in fire forever.

Allah accept repentance till death approaches . After that , no repentance is accepted i.e. Pharoan asked for forgiveness when he started drowning & it was rejected. BTW , heaven is not for hypocrites as u stated.

Chapter Women;

To the Hypocrites give the glad tidings that there is for them (but) a grievous penalty ( 4: 138)

…The Hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of the Fire: no helper wilt thou find for them ( 4:145)

Anyway thanks for your effort in helping Jay in research . Instead of searching verses where Jewish holy books condemn Christians for worshipping Jesus (p) , it’s better to find out if they do recognise him at all.
 
Thank you, Eucharisted very very much. I appreciate all of your work and effort on my behalf. :hug3:

Very interesting and well-written post, too!
 
Hi

So there is nothing in Torah about Jesus being a god. It is late brain working of Paul; when Jesus had gone to India and could not know what Paul was doing in his absence. A clever Paul, in my opinion

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In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

If I make idol of Prophet Muhammed (p) , bow down in front of that idol , start praying to Muhammed (p) & die without sincere repentance , I will be in fire forever.

Allah accept repentance till death approaches . After that , no repentance is accepted i.e. Pharoan asked for forgiveness when he started drowning & it was rejected. BTW , heaven is not for hypocrites as u stated.

Chapter Women;

To the Hypocrites give the glad tidings that there is for them (but) a grievous penalty ( 4: 138)

…The Hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of the Fire: no helper wilt thou find for them ( 4:145)

Anyway thanks for your effort in helping Jay in research . Instead of searching verses where Jewish holy books condemn Christians for worshipping Jesus (p) , it’s better to find out if they do recognise him at all.
You bow down to a big black rock, isnt that worshipping a false god?
 
You bow down to a big black rock, isnt that worshipping a false god?
Hi

That is not correct in my opinion. That is only a marking to start a circle. This rock is not even mentioned in Quran. Its significance is only as marking. OK

I love Jesus

Thanks
 
In Judaism, it is believed that those who worship false gods go to gehenna, spending their time in pig poop (yuck!). But it is a fitting punishment, since Jews consider gentiles to be the pigs of the world - and since pigs are regarded as the filthiest animals in the world, you can understand how Judaism feels about idolters. And since Jews consider Christians to be idolters, because we worship Jesus, you can see where they believe we’ll end up if we do not repent from idoltry.
Rather than rely on folk-myth and professional Talmud cranks and misquoters, perhaps this and this (access to further articles requires clicking on the ‘headings’ on the column to the left) might help in understanding Judaism rather than ‘fantasy Judaism’.
 
Hi

That is not correct in my opinion. That is only a marking to start a circle. This rock is not even mentioned in Quran. Its significance is only as marking. OK

I love Jesus

Thanks
muslims continue to accuse Catholics of worshipping statues and idols etc. We have explained numerous times we do NOT worship the statues, pictures etc, but still muslims accuse us of doing so because we kneel infront of them.
Well, i just think its funny that muslims do the same thing, by praying to a big black rock.
It seems muslims cant think outside the square no matter how many times we tell them by kneeling near a statue etc, we do not worship it, yet they do exactly the same thing and say they dont worship the rock!
Until muslims accept we do not worship statues etc, i will accept that muslims worship a big black rock, after all, you do bow to it dont you…
 
Hi

That is not correct in my opinion. That is only a marking to start a circle. This rock is not even mentioned in Quran. Its significance is only as marking. OK

I love Jesus

Thanks
What is the significance of that rock to be selected as a marking?
 
What is the significance of that rock to be selected as a marking?
Hi

It is said to be there since the time Abraham and Ismail erected this worshiphouse under instruction of GodAllahYHWH.

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Hi

It is said to be there since the time Abraham and Ismail erected this worshiphouse under instruction of GodAllahYHWH.

I love Jesus

Thanks
Please quote the bible that it was Abraham and Ismail erected that worshiphouse. Please quote the Quran too for comparison.
 
Please quote the bible that it was Abraham and Ismail erected that worshiphouse. Please quote the Quran too for comparison.
Hi

I will quote from Quran:

[3:97] Surely, the first House founded for mankind is that at Becca, abounding in blessings and a guidance for all peoples.

[3:98] In it are manifest Signs; it is the place of Abraham; and whoso enters it, enters peace. And pilgrimage to the House is a duty which men — those who can find a way thither — owe to Allah. And whoever disbelieves, let him remember that Allah is surely independent of all creatures.

alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=3&verse=95

I love Jesus and Mary

Thanks
 
You bow down to a big black rock, isnt that worshipping a false god?
I would think that a Catholic who is often accused of bowing down before a statue and “worshipping” it would no want to make such a statement to another.

The frequency of threads on “Catholics not worshipping XYZ” seek to dispell that accusation…why is it leveled at another by a Catholic at a Muslim who has stated that they do not worship idols nor make images?

Such statements do not reflect the Spirit of Truth nor do they speak out of that Center of Love and Mercy we are called to live within…at least in this Friend’s mind.
 
Rather than rely on folk-myth and professional Talmud cranks and misquoters, perhaps this and this (access to further articles requires clicking on the ‘headings’ on the column to the left) might help in understanding Judaism rather than ‘fantasy Judaism’.
Thank you for correcting me and for the links 🙂
 
Please quote the bible that it was Abraham and Ismail erected that worshiphouse. Please quote the Quran too for comparison.
**Some one removed all mention of that place from their books (put a blanket on it) even though references are still there. That is what comes out of doing things haphazardly.

The name of Ishmael is there as the first born son of Abraham. Abaraham and his son Ishmael went away to a far away place. Abraham was with them who took them there. Abraham kept on visiting them later at different times, even when Ishmael was married. When Abraham died, Ishmael was with Issac and both brothers buried Abraham together.

When Sarah died, Abraham was away with his son Ishmael. He came later to mourn for Sarah.

Ishmael was married and had 12 sons. The names of sons are mentioned in bible OT. There is a news of the blessings for Ishmael and his children in the bibleOT.

Where did they go and where did they live and where are they now? They are all over Arabia from Yemen to north and south east of Arabia. It is sure that where ever Abraham will go, he will build a house for worship. That is what he did in Kana’an too.

He built the house (Ka’abah) helped by Ishmael.**
 
**Some one removed all mention of that place from their books (put a blanket on it) even though references are still there. That is what comes out of doing things haphazardly.

The name of Ishmael is there as the first born son of Abraham. Abaraham and his son Ishmael went away to a far away place. Abraham was with them who took them there. Abraham kept on visiting them later at different times, even when Ishmael was married. When Abraham died, Ishmael was with Issac and both brothers buried Abraham together.

When Sarah died, Abraham was away with his son Ishmael. He came later to mourn for Sarah.

Ishmael was married and had 12 sons. The names of sons are mentioned in bible OT. There is a news of the blessings for Ishmael and his children in the bibleOT.

Where did they go and where did they live and where are they now? They are all over Arabia from Yemen to north and south east of Arabia. It is sure that where ever Abraham will go, he will build a house for worship. That is what he did in Kana’an too.

He built the house (Ka’abah) helped by Ishmael.**
Please quote your story from the bible. You are a gifted fictional writer, I think. You should write your own book, and surely you will make more money than Dan Brown.
 
Hi

I will quote from Quran:

[3:97] Surely, the first House founded for mankind is that at Becca, abounding in blessings and a guidance for all peoples.

[3:98] In it are manifest Signs; it is the place of Abraham; and whoso enters it, enters peace. And pilgrimage to the House is a duty which men — those who can find a way thither — owe to Allah. And whoever disbelieves, let him remember that Allah is surely independent of all creatures.

alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=3&verse=95

I love Jesus and Mary

Thanks
I did not see the name Ishmael is mentioned in your posting.
 
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