Jews and Christians as brothers

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Please forgive my lack of recall and knowledge.

Does the New Testament refer to Jews and Christians as brothers?

Does the New Testament refer to Jews as related in a family sense?

Thanks!
 
I’m guessing you are asking if Jews as a religious people are spiritual brothers to Christians, I would say no. Jesus said no one comes to the Father except through Him, observers of Judaism still look for their messiah rejecting Jesus. Some people believe observant Jews are saved by benefit of their being God’s chosen people. However, John the Baptist rebuked Jewish leaders who placed great faith on their Jewishness, telling them God could make son’s of Abraham from stones. Peter wrote that there is no other name by which we are saved but Jesus, and Paul wrote in Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave or free, etc… so I don’t believe the Jewish people are spiritual brothers to Christians. Jews who have accepted Christ as their Savior are, of course, our brothers.
I think you are remembering Romans, where Paul writes we have become grafted into Abraham’s family. This refers to the believers of the Old Testament who died looking forward to the Messiah’s arrival.
 
Steve

Thanks!

Yes, you have asked the question that I was pondering, and the best place I know to look is the Holy Bible.

I felt that the Scriptures might have stated that we were brothers and sisters.

Thanks again.
 
I can’t find where scripture says explicitly that Jews and Christains are “Brothers.” A search of the RSV for the word brother is here. But the concept of your question sounds familiar somehow.

I think the idea of Jews and Christians as brothers however, is not that far from reality as they earliest Christain’s would have seen it. In the earliest Church, immediately after Jesus, Jewish converts to Christianity did not consider themselves to be non-Jewish. If asked, they would have indentified themselves first as a Jew, yet as a Jew who had realized that the Messiah had indeed come.

The Jews who did not accept Christ as the Messiah and the Jews who did were not seperated like they are now. The New Testament had not yet been written and codified and Jewish converts to Christianity still went to synagogue with their non-Christian Jewish brothers.

This started to change after AD 70 when Jerusalem and the temple was destroyed and Jews were slaughtered. Around AD 85-90, Jews start expelling Christians from the synagogues because, 1) many Jewish converts to Christainity would not practice strict adherance to the mosaic law, 2) some blame was placed on Christians for the destruction of the temple and of Jerusalem, 3) persecutions of the Christians put those who associated with Christians in great danger. Full seperation of Jews and Christians took several hundred years.

So to the earliest Jewish converts to Christianity, Jews who had not accepted that Christ was the messiah may not have been referred to as “Brother”, but would most certainly have been seen as fellow members of God’s chosen people. And it is important to remember that God himself refers to the nation of Israel collectively as “My chosen son” (singular).

-Tim-
 
I can’t find where scripture says explicitly that Jews and Christains are “Brothers.” A search of the RSV for the word brother is here. But the concept of your question sounds familiar somehow.

I think the idea of Jews and Christians as brothers however, is not that far from reality as they earliest Christain’s would have seen it. In the earliest Church, immediately after Jesus, Jewish converts to Christianity did not consider themselves to be non-Jewish. If asked, they would have indentified themselves first as a Jew, yet as a Jew who had realized that the Messiah had indeed come.

The Jews who did not accept Christ as the Messiah and the Jews who did were not seperated like they are now. The New Testament had not yet been written and codified and Jewish converts to Christianity still went to synagogue with their non-Christian Jewish brothers.

This started to change after AD 70 when Jerusalem and the temple was destroyed and Jews were slaughtered. Around AD 85-90, Jews start expelling Christians from the synagogues because, 1) many Jewish converts to Christainity would not practice strict adherance to the mosaic law, 2) some blame was placed on Christians for the destruction of the temple and of Jerusalem, 3) persecutions of the Christians put those who associated with Christians in great danger. Full seperation of Jews and Christians took several hundred years.

So to the earliest Jewish converts to Christianity, Jews who had not accepted that Christ was the messiah may not have been referred to as “Brother”, but would most certainly have been seen as fellow members of God’s chosen people. And it is important to remember that God himself refers to the nation of Israel collectively as “My chosen son” (singular).

-Tim-
Pope John Paul II called Jews our “elder brothers and sisters in the faith.” Some experts say in one interpretation of the parable of the prodigal son that the elder son represents the Jews and the younger son symbolizes the Gentiles.

While I do not think it holds for much of Protestantism, much of Catholicism is directly from the Jewish faith. There is a book on it here; watch the short the video at this site:

catholicknight.blogspot.com/2011/04/crucified-rabbi.html

The book is here:
amazon.com/dp/057803834X/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_til?tag=thecatholicci-20&camp=14573&creative=327641&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=057803834X&adid=1J2CYKAS8DZR6TJTGY7C&

From:
threeminuteapologetics.blogspot.com/2011/06/why-did-pope-john-paul-ii-call-jews-our.html :

Pope JPII, in that statement speaks of unity between the great monotheistic religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam). We all have the same roots–one God–and Abraham is considered the forefather Christians, Jews and Muslims. God chose Abraham to reveal the name of God to all the nations, and our Jewish brethren were, as we proclaim on Good Friday Liturgy, “the first to hear the word of God.”

Thus, it is true and wonderful that we can call all Jews our elder brethren in the faith. As Jewish convert Sr. Rosalind Moss says, "The most Jewish thing a person can do is to become Catholic. When I was trying to save my brother from becoming Catholic, I went to Christmas Mass with him. Afterwards, I told him, ‘That’s a synagogue, but with Christ!’"

God bless you.
 
Pope John Paul II called Jews our “elder brothers and sisters in the faith.” Some experts say in one interpretation of the parable of the prodigal son that the elder son represents the Jews and the younger son symbolizes the Gentiles.

Pope JPII, in that statement speaks of unity between the great monotheistic religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam). We all have the same roots–one God–and Abraham is considered the forefather Christians, Jews and Muslims. God chose Abraham to reveal the name of God to all the nations, and our Jewish brethren were, as we proclaim on Good Friday Liturgy, “the first to hear the word of God.”

Thus, it is true and wonderful that we can call all Jews our elder brethren in the faith. As Jewish convert Sr. Rosalind Moss says, "The most Jewish thing a person can do is to become Catholic. When I was trying to save my brother from becoming Catholic, I went to Christmas Mass with him. Afterwards, I told him, ‘That’s a synagogue, but with Christ!’"

God bless you.
If you want to be technical about it Christianity is Judaism come to completion with the arrival of the Messiah, We can see in Acts that the early church was concerned that Jews continue to follow the law and there was debate as to whether Gentiles should be circumcised and required to follow kosher diets. So early Jewish converts to Christianity would have continued going to synagogue and observing the law, there is no command for them to stop. However, converts they were. Jesus was explicit that He was the way. Peter was explicit that Christ was the Messiah and the only mediator between God and men. If there is only one way, then a different way can’t be the right way. If Judaism is spiritually the same as Christianity the Christ died in vain, because a way to God was already available. ’
You have to remember, Pope John Paul was attempting to m.ake ammends for millenia of anti-Semitism and build bridges with Jewish leadership in the 80s and 90s. I would consider OT Jews to be brother 's and sister’s as they looked forward in faith to the coming Messiah.
 
I have always understood that the parable of the prodigal son as a statement that we are all brothers. I just recalled this parable–sorry about be slow.

Is this correct?

Thanks!
 
If you want to be technical about it Christianity is Judaism come to completion with the arrival of the Messiah, We can see in Acts that the early church was concerned that Jews continue to follow the law and there was debate as to whether Gentiles should be circumcised and required to follow kosher diets. So early Jewish converts to Christianity would have continued going to synagogue and observing the law, there is no command for them to stop. However, converts they were. Jesus was explicit that He was the way. Peter was explicit that Christ was the Messiah and the only mediator between God and men. If there is only one way, then a different way can’t be the right way. If Judaism is spiritually the same as Christianity the Christ died in vain, because a way to God was already available. ’
You have to remember, Pope John Paul was attempting to m.ake ammends for millenia of anti-Semitism and build bridges with Jewish leadership in the 80s and 90s. I would consider OT Jews to be brother 's and sister’s as they looked forward in faith to the coming Messiah.
If you really want to be technical about it, Catholicism, and not generic Christianity, is a completion and perfection of Judaism.

Much of that completion has been lost as the beatufiul doctrines of the Church taught by to us by Christ and the Apostles who followed him have been abandoned or outright rejected; doctrines such as pennance, purgatory, the communion of saints, the sacraments and Church authority.

-Tim-
 
Then what kind of connection do we have to the Jews? I truly believe that they are still special to the eyes of God. I believe that God still holds a special bond with them even if the New Covenant fulfilled the Old Covenant. So, what is our relation to them. Are they, perhaps, like a child separated from a family yet still being part of it?
 
Then what kind of connection do we have to the Jews? I truly believe that they are still special to the eyes of God. I believe that God still holds a special bond with them even if the New Covenant fulfilled the Old Covenant. So, what is our relation to them. Are they, perhaps, like a child separated from a family yet still being part of it?
I don’t understand why we have to define “our relation” to them. Treat them as you treat any child of God–with dignity and respect. Treat them as if they are your elder brethren in the faith.
 
The early Christians clearly considered themselves still to be Jews, but that might have been for reasons of expedience.

James the Just, Jesus’ brother, had access to the Second Temple and was a priest there. Paul the Apostle would visit the Synagogues in the different cities he visited. Presumably after partaking in whatever rites they had back then, during the time when any adult male Jew could stand up and comment, Paul would stand up and proselytize.

As was pointed out, the early Christians thought that anyone wanting to be a Christian had to become Jewish first (circumcision at least), and then take the vows and communion and whatever else the Nazarenes required for conversion. Paul and others in the churches in Greece and Asia Minor disagreed, and that to be a Christian one did not have to become Jewish first. This was a big deal that was finally worked out in about A.D. 53 with a conference in Jerusalem. James the Just and others compromised, and agreed finally that a potential Christian convert did not have to become circumcised first to gain acceptance, only agree to perform certain rites and take certain vows.

To your question, the High Priesthood was clearly antagonistic to the Nazarenes. That is why so many Christian Churches were established outside of Jewish territory, where gentiles were plentiful and so considered for conversion. The Apostles had been forced out by threats of violence or death earlier. Did the common Jew agree with the High Priesthood? That is the question. Initially, most did. But as the decades passed, the High Priesthood likely felt their Jewish base was eroding and so took stronger actions against the Christians. Not that all the Jews were converting to Christianity, but that they didn’t mind them as neighbors. That might be one way to answer your question.

Did James the Just embrace Judaism just for reasons of survival, so to keep a Christian base in Jerusalem, where Jesus was to return? Did the early Christians pay a token deference to Jewish ways so as to blend in with their communities, not be shunned, and perhaps gain more converts?

Interestingly, in A.D. 62 the High Priesthood, perhaps out of desperation, orchestrated the execution of the Christian leaders in Jerusalem (to include James the Just). Just two years later in A.D. 64, the entire leadership of the Roman Christians was wiped out in the persecutions of Nero, with hundreds of common Christians being executed as well. There, the Jerusalem High Priesthood could well have played a role, having a strong presence in the court of Nero.

It is hard to justify the idea that the Jews and the Christians were destined to become brothers in the truest sense of the word, and certainly not in the Second Temple era. Either you accept Jesus as Christ and are a Christian, or you aren’t. There is no middle ground.
 
It is hard to justify the idea that the Jews and the Christians were destined to become brothers** in the truest sense of the word,** and certainly not in the Second Temple era.
In the truest sense of the word? You mean as in emanating from the same womb? I don’t think anyone here has been proposing that! :whacky:
Either you accept Jesus as Christ and are a Christian, or you aren’t. There is no middle ground.
Indeed.
 
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