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This is a question for Jewish members of the forum. Exactly what does God plan to do to Gentiles when either the Messiah or end of the world comes?

From what I gather Jews don’t evangelize outward to others though anyone outside of Judaism is allowed to join the religion. So is the end goal that God will send all the gentiles to Hell and leave only the Jews as worthy of Heaven?
 
This is a question for Jewish members of the forum. Exactly what does God plan to do to Gentiles when either the Messiah or end of the world comes?

From what I gather Jews don’t evangelize outward to others though anyone outside of Judaism is allowed to join the religion. So is the end goal that God will send all the gentiles to Hell and leave only the Jews as worthy of Heaven?
According to Torah (Orthodox) Judaism, Gentiles (who include all non-Jewish people, not only Christians) will share in the afterlife in Heaven if they are moral people who follow the Seven Laws of Noah (Noachide Laws), which include prohibitions against murder, theft, idolatry, blasphemy, sexual immorality, and eating the flesh of living animals. These are the only required commandments for Gentiles to follow to be considered among the Righteous. Jews, however, are required to follow or practice all the commandments of the Torah, which consist of 613 commandments, or as many as they can, given the fact that about half of these 613 commandments can no longer be practiced in the modern world since they involve rituals which relate to the destroyed Temple. But the ones which cannot currently be practiced are still “on the books,” so to speak, to be resumed when the Temple is rebuilt. That leaves about 300 Torah commandments today for Jews to follow. Even here, though, many Orthodox Jews believe G-d looks favorably on Jews who do the best they can to obey as many of the commandments as they are able to, even though they might not be successful in following them all. In other words, sincere effort counts favorably in the eyes of G-d. And those Jews who are members of what Torah Jews regard as heretical movements–Conservative Judaism, Reconstructionist Judaism, and Reform Judaism–are not assumed to be damned, but are usually treated as “invincibly ignorant,” to borrow a Catholic concept. On the other hand, atheists are on shakier ground with regard to Heaven according to Torah Judaism; but even they may merit G-d’s mercy by means of their good deeds. In general, Judaism–like Catholicism–is quite reluctant to judge or even speculate who might or might not go to Heaven. It is a topic which Jews prefer to leave to G-d. While most Jews do believe in Heaven, the focus of Judaism has always been leading a moral life on Earth.
 
According to Torah (Orthodox) Judaism, Gentiles (who include all non-Jewish people, not only Christians) will share in the afterlife in Heaven if they are moral people who follow the Seven Laws of Noah (Noachide Laws), which include prohibitions against murder, theft, idolatry, blasphemy, sexual immorality, and eating the flesh of living animals. These are the only required commandments for Gentiles to follow to be considered among the Righteous. Jews, however, are required to follow or practice all the commandments of the Torah, which consist of 613 commandments, or as many as they can, given the fact that about half of these 613 commandments can no longer be practiced in the modern world since they involve rituals which relate to the destroyed Temple. But the ones which cannot currently be practiced are still “on the books,” so to speak, to be resumed when the Temple is rebuilt. That leaves about 300 Torah commandments today for Jews to follow. Even here, though, many Orthodox Jews believe G-d looks favorably on Jews who do the best they can to obey as many of the commandments as they are able to, even though they might not be successful in following them all. In other words, sincere effort counts favorably in the eyes of G-d. And those Jews who are members of what Torah Jews regard as heretical movements–Conservative Judaism, Reconstructionist Judaism, and Reform Judaism–are not assumed to be damned, but are usually treated as “invincibly ignorant,” to borrow a Catholic concept. On the other hand, atheists are on shakier ground with regard to Heaven according to Torah Judaism; but even they may merit G-d’s mercy by means of their good deeds. In general, Judaism–like Catholicism–is quite reluctant to judge or even speculate who might or might not go to Heaven. It is a topic which Jews prefer to leave to G-d. While most Jews do believe in Heaven, the focus of Judaism has always been leading a moral life on Earth.
How about the more temporal aspect of the OP’s question (if you believe the Messiah will have a temporal reign)? Will all (or many of) the Gentiles convert to Judaism then, or will they believe in Judaism and follow the “Noachide Laws” without becoming Jews, or what?

Also, since you brought up different forms of Judaism, what would be the Torah Jews’ (to use your evidently preferred term) general attitude towards the Karaite Jews?
 
Thank you for the well made explaination. I do still have a question about Christians are they placed in this “invincibly ignorance” category since the base belief is that the messiah has already come and thus puts them more in similarity to a heretical sect?
 
Thank you for the well made explaination. I do still have a question about Christians are they placed in this “invincibly ignorance” category since the base belief is that the messiah has already come and thus puts them more in similarity to a heretical sect?
I think there’s too much baggage being carried over from the Catholic meaning of ‘invincible ignorance’ here. 🙂

The concept of ‘chosen people’ actually implies that Jews have contracted to do more (all those rules in the Torah), so non-Jews are in an easier situation with only a few rules and so getting to the ‘World To Come’ is less problematic.

In a sense, it’s the opposite of the Christian paradigm where it’s difficult if you don’t believe the right things.
 
How about the more temporal aspect of the OP’s question (if you believe the Messiah will have a temporal reign)? Will all (or many of) the Gentiles convert to Judaism then, or will they believe in Judaism and follow the “Noachide Laws” without becoming Jews, or what?
There would be no need to ‘convert’, it’s more that, in the Messianic Age, everybody will recognize God as being God.
Also, since you brought up different forms of Judaism, what would be the Torah Jews’ (to use your evidently preferred term) general attitude towards the Karaite Jews?
On the one hand . . . but on the other hand . . . meanwhile on yet another hand . . .
 
How about the more temporal aspect of the OP’s question (if you believe the Messiah will have a temporal reign)? Will all (or many of) the Gentiles convert to Judaism then, or will they believe in Judaism and follow the “Noachide Laws” without becoming Jews, or what?

Also, since you brought up different forms of Judaism, what would be the Torah Jews’ (to use your evidently preferred term) general attitude towards the Karaite Jews?
Since Torah Judaism consists of several sub-branches–including Haredi (various Hasidic and other) divisions, as well as Traditional Orthodox and Modern Orthodox, it is difficult to say precisely what each group and the individuals within each group think about Karaite Judaism. The latter differs from “Rabbinic” Judaism in that Karaite Jews are the Jewish version of Sola Scriptura Protestants (that is, some Protestants), who emphasize individual interpretation and the Bible as the primary source. In other words, Karaite Jews believe only in the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible) and NOT the Oral Law, consisting of the Talmud (Mishnah and Gemara), including as well the laws of the Sanhedrin. Not that Karaite Judaism favors a fundamentalist interpretation of the Hebrew Bible (sometimes they interpret passages as metaphorical), but they do not believe in interpretations after the fact by means of rabbinical authority, Kabbalah mysticism, Jewish tradition, or anything else. If it is not written (or implied), or it is forbidden in the Tanakh, in particular the Torah, then they do not follow such practices. These include time-honored traditions of Torah Jews such as putting mezuzahs (Torah scrolls) on doorposts of every room (except the bathroom) and lighting Friday-night Sabbath candles. Karaite Jews claim the Bible expressly states that lights must not be burnt DURING the Sabbath even if they were ignited prior, instead of the more traditional interpretation that lights cannot be ignited ON the Sabbath but can be turned on and remain on during the Sabbath. As is often the case, the whole argument hinges on the Hebrew word for “burn” and how it is used in context. I would wager that most Traditional and Modern Orthodox Jews respect the Karaite Jews, who hold similar doctrine, even while they may disagree with them on certain rituals. However, I’m not so sure about the feelings of certain divisions of Haredi Jews since some of them are quite adamant about their own practices. Still, I would not want to paint everyone who lies within these divisions with a single brush. Jews are quite individualistic.
 
Thank you for the well made explaination. I do still have a question about Christians are they placed in this “invincibly ignorance” category since the base belief is that the messiah has already come and thus puts them more in similarity to a heretical sect?
Conservative and Reform Judaism are regarded as heretical sects by some members of Torah Judaism. Even here, it’s more the “rabbis” of these heretical movements who are blamed than the members of their congregations, who are simply ignorant. Christianity, on the other hand, is considered another religion altogether. So the concept of “invincible ignorance” would apply to Christians, who are not expected (or even permitted unless they convert) to follow all the laws of Judaism.
 
which include prohibitions against murder, theft, idolatry, blasphemy, sexual immorality, and eating the flesh of living animals.
Hm, how is blasphemy and sexual immorality defined in that context? Both are very much dependend on the cultural context, esp. one religion’s belief is another one’s blasphemy.
 
Hm, how is blasphemy and sexual immorality defined in that context? Both are very much dependend on the cultural context, esp. one religion’s belief is another one’s blasphemy.
I don’t know if this is specified. I think the prohibition of idolatry gives us a clue, however. The religious beliefs of non-Jews must conform to a monotheistic religion or at least a non-corporeal concept of a dominant spiritual G-d, even if the religion incorporates minor deities. So the other commandments of the Noachide Law must also correspond to the way Jews define blasphemy and sexual immorality, though they need not be identical to Torah Law. I don’t think much allowance is made for cultural diversity to accommodate Ancient Pagans and such who practiced rituals which went beyond the pale of Jewish Law or Noachide Law.
This restriction would apply to Torah Judaism, not necessarily to Conservative Judaism and certainly not to Reform Judaism.
 
The Jewish prophets have explicitly stated, in the Messianic Era, Gentiles will stop being blinded to the truth and realize they have inherited falsehood:

"Hashem (God) my Strength, my Stronghold and my Refuge on the day of distress! To You (God) nations will come from the ends of the earth and say: "It was all falsehood that our ancestors inherited, futility that has no purpose. Can a man make gods for himself - they are not gods! (Jeremiah 16:19-20)
יט יְהוָה עֻזִּי וּמָעֻזִּי, וּמְנוּסִי–בְּיוֹם צָרָה; אֵלֶיךָ, גּוֹיִם יָבֹאוּ מֵאַפְסֵי-אָרֶץ, וְיֹאמְרוּ אַךְ-שֶׁקֶר נָחֲלוּ אֲבוֹתֵינוּ, הֶבֶל וְאֵין-בָּם מוֹעִיל.
כ הֲיַעֲשֶׂה-לּוֹ אָדָם, אֱלֹהִים; וְהֵמָּה, לֹא אֱלֹהִים.

{In the Messianic Era} “Nations will walk by your [the Jewish People’s] light and kings by the brilliance of your shine” Isaiah 60:3
וְהָלְכוּ גוֹיִם, לְאוֹרֵךְ; וּמְלָכִים, לְנֹגַהּ זַרְחֵךְ.

"I will set you [the Jewish People] for a covenant to the people, for a light to the nations, to open blind eyes [in the Messianic Age] Isaiah 42:6-7
וְאֶתֶּנְךָ לִבְרִית עָם–לְאוֹר גּוֹיִם.
לִפְקֹחַ, עֵינַיִם עִוְרוֹת

The sixth Messianic criterion is that the Messiah ben David will bring knowledge of the Jewish God to to the world (see Isaiah 11:9; 40:5; Zephaniah 3:9 ; Jeremiah 31:33).
 
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