Jews and Jesus - the irony

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Is it not one of the greatest irony and trajedy that almost all the Jewish people whom God specially selected from the beginning as His people and who were given protection and guidance throughout,do not believe in Jesus his son ? Was it a mistake to select Jews as His privileged people?
 
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Was it a mistake to select Jews as His privileged people?
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It was no more a mistake than His selection of us as His privileged people .

Our response to Jesus is hardly much to write home about .

I thank God that Jesus is my Saviour .

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God doesn’t make mistakes!
Jesus was to be of David’s line to fulfil prophecy.
Don’t forget…“If they will not listen either to Moses or to the prophets they will not be convinced even if someone should rise from the dead”. Jesus knew many would not believe…
 
Are there not several instances in the Bible where God regretted for having done something?
 
God knows how things are going to work out when he does them.
God’s regret is not like human regret, because God knew the result and chose to take some action anyway.

The writers of Scripture give God human characteristics, such as regret, but it’s really inadequate to describe God. We mst be careful not to just assume God acts like a powerful human. He isn’t and he doesn’t.

Also, let’s not forget many Jewish people did accept Jesus and formed a significant part of the early Christian church. They ceased to be called Jewish and were called Christian instead at that point, but they had been Jewish.
 
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I don’t think that follows. At least not in the sense you mean it. He might have recognized that the Popes blessing gave the project a boost to its moral legitimacy, given that the Pope is the leader of the Church, while not believing in Christianity or papal supremacy. It was probably a political calculation as much as anything.
 
I mean, I guess maybe. But you might make the same request even if you firmly believe that the papacy is a purely manmade office. You might think “I personally think this is nonsense, but 3 billion people don’t, so I’ll play nice…”
 
A slight correction. It wasn’t Pius XII, it was Pius X. Herzl died in 1904.
 
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From a Jewish perspective, it is neither ironic nor tragic. The Jews were entrusted with the responsibility and privilege of being a role model to all the nations of the earth through their adherence to Gd’s Law (the Torah), and they continue, as a whole, to the present day to fulfill that obligation through thick and thin, both good times and bad. Apparently Gd made a good choice.
 
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Is it not one of the greatest irony and trajedy that almost all the Jewish people whom God specially selected from the beginning as His people and who were given protection and guidance throughout,do not believe in Jesus his son ? Was it a mistake to select Jews as His privileged people?
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Tragedy, yes. Irony, not really.

Especially when considering Israel was “chosen” to be the catalyst for the building of his Church. And, yes, many Jews did not believe, but after the Jews opened the Salvation Plan to all of the world (See John Chapter 4…I think part of this week’s Sunday Mass Reading, if Year A is used…where Christ said “Salvation comes from the Jews”.

The Jews are no more guilty in their non-belief as we are. Many of us, through the benefit of 2000 years of history, and the inspired Word of God, claim to believe, but our actions don’t always bear it out.
 
Irony is a phrase that when used its actual meaning is the opposite. I think its not irony that you are referring to.
The Jews were admonished for lack of faith earlier in the NT. By King David for example. Now through the extent of catholicism understood as universality, that any one can have access to God, not just the Jews, like Jesus Christ said “search and you shall find”, those admonishments for lack of faith apply not only to Jews but to Christians and pretty much all people, especially those who are somewhat under God’s wings, that is Christians.
Isn’t it odd then, or unfair, or unjust, that people who are baptized, receive communion and other sacraments from God one day they just leave Him, and join other beliefs or none, and teach people God does not exist even though they witnessed His presence in church but claim “they saw nothing”?
Plus Jesus knew exactly how things will end from His Father, in the Ghetsenami garden. It was no surprise to him at all. That is, for the case you presented.
For the general case, of Christians abandoning their faith for the next cool thing or just for nothing, yes it is sad and unfair. And the questions still stand. Isn’t it odd?
 
From a Catholic viewpoint, let’s remember that we don’t know yet how all this will play out in God’s plan. Salvation is from the Jews.
 
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Is it not one of the greatest irony and trajedy that almost all the Jewish people whom God specially selected from the beginning as His people and who were given protection and guidance throughout,do not believe in Jesus his son ? Was it a mistake to select Jews as His privileged people
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Their rejection of Jesus Christ is not too surprising because the Jews are “a stubborn people.” (Deut 9:6) St Paul discusses their temporary rejection of Christ and how it fits into God’s plan of salvation in Romans 11.
 
The Israelite people from the very beginning had troubles. The Old Testament is basically a document describing how they constantly fell into idolatry from the moment they left Egypt until God decided it was time to take them out with the Assyrians and Babylonians. Even in the days of the Maccabees they were still doing this. That was less than 200 years before the advent of our Lord. Then their religious leaders killed him. God gave them 40 years, just as he did in the wilderness. They repented then, but this time they didn’t.

But just to make it clear, many Jews did accept Jesus. All of Jesus’s original followers were Jewish. Christianity, after all, began as a Jewish sect. In fact, many scholars believe Hellenistic Judaism (the Judaism of diaspora Jews of the 1st century) got absorbed into Christianity whereas Palestinian Judaism after the destruction of the Temple evolved into Rabbinic Judaism. Really Christianity and Judaism were like Esau and Jacob. And as we know, when Jacob returned he and Esau reconciled. We know that this will happen too, Paul tells us in Romans 11.
 
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Jesus was a Jew, as were the Apostles and all of his first disciples and followers. The early Catholic Church was quite Jewish; the first Christians attended synagogue for the prayers and readings, while the Eucharist was first celebrated in homes. Later the readings and the Eucharist were combined into a single service which is the Mass.
 
From some postings here where in it is said that Jews adhere to the God’s law and are strictly following it,it is evident that they ( except may be a negligible numbers) are never ,never going to reconcile with the supremacy of Christianity.Even now if you talk about Jesus,their attitude is of indifference and disrespectful if not scornful.(So you can imagine the intensity of their animosity towards Jesus 2000 years ago !).
God’s plans are really unknown and mysterious…
 
They will not convert to Christianity because we have not yet provided evidence that Jesus is truly the Messiah and that Christianity is from God.
 
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Yes,sadly that is their stand.Only bible is the evidence for this and if one does not believe in it nothing can be done by anybody except by God .
 
Whoops…I mistakenly placed a question mark instead of a period. That was meant to be a statement.
 
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