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In “We Jews and Jesus” Rabbi Samuel Sandmel makes this statement. “Cannot Christians come to some clarity on one issue: If the death of Jesus was the universal benefit they
hold it to be, then why attach blame, whether on the Jews or on the Romans, for causing the benefit? If, as the Gospels, especially John, suppose that Jesus knew and predicted long in advance that the particular events would happen, and the events were neither a surprise nor a defeat, then were not the events merely working out some antecedently arrived at divine shcedule? If it was part of a divine schedule, then why
blame mere men for acting out the preordained human role?”

i dont ever remember us blaming the Jews or anyone else when to the death and passion of our Lord. am I missing out on something???

help…
thanks

ps i posted this on another page, but i think it is more appropriate to do it here…
 
quixotic said:
In “We Jews and Jesus” Rabbi Samuel Sandmel makes this statement. “Cannot Christians come to some clarity on one issue: If the death of Jesus was the universal benefit they
hold it to be, then why attach blame, whether on the Jews or on the Romans, for causing the benefit? If, as the Gospels, especially John, suppose that Jesus knew and predicted long in advance that the particular events would happen, and the events were neither a surprise nor a defeat, then were not the events merely working out some antecedently arrived at divine shcedule? If it was part of a divine schedule, then why
blame mere men for acting out the preordained human role?”

i dont ever remember us blaming the Jews or anyone else when to the death and passion of our Lord. am I missing out on something???

help…
thanks

ps i posted this on another page, but i think it is more appropriate to do it here…
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There is a strain of “Traditional” Catholics (and some Orthodox as well) that are very anti-semitic. Perhaps he has come across these types. They tend to blame Jews for everything, including killing Jesus.
 
Historically many Christians blamed the Jew’s for killing Jesus. I have even seen medieval tracts referring the Jew’s as “Jesus-killers”. This is of course nonsense. Unfortunately, some still do, but they are in the minority.
 
Melchior said:
There is a strain of “Traditional” Catholics (and some Orthodox as well) that are very anti-semitic. Perhaps he has come across these types. They tend to blame Jews for everything, including killing Jesus.
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i’m sure it is along these lines. the problem is if he puts all Christians into this category (albeit, many Christians have done a poor job in this area).
 
I believe that God’s point in the gospels might be that no one is blameless when it comes to the crucifixion of our God and Savior and Redeemer. If there were two kinds of people in the ancient world – those who were Jewish and those who were non-Jewish – then both were to blame for His torture and death. Personally, when i really consider it, i’m to blame as well. It was my own evil that made His sacrifice necessary; it was His love for me, more than the nails, that held Him to the cross.
 
thats what i thought… that He died for my sins… so i killed him.
but i a still so disturbed by the rabbi’s writing… it seems like a sweeping statement to me. i definitely didnt grow up (even now) blaming the jews or anyone for his death.
 
It is my understanding that this is a bigger problem in Europe. I know of some Lutherans that until very recently refered to the Jewish people as “Christ Killers.” I have never understood how hate can exist in a Christian heart.
 
I think we can agree that historically, there was a tension between the Jews and the Church, arising from, among other things, that the one people who should have clearly seen the Messiah that was fortold in their scriptures, refused to accept Jesus. We have been both witnesses and at the same time disbelievers of Jesus.

When you are dealing with events over the course of centuries, there’s bound to be a little generalization.
 
Valke2 said:
I think we can agree that historically, there was a tension between the Jews and the Church, arising from, among other things, that the one people who should have clearly seen the Messiah that was fortold in their scriptures, refused to accept Jesus. We have been both witnesses and at the same time disbelievers of Jesus.

When you are dealing with events over the course of centuries, there’s bound to be a little generalization.
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Amen. I do think that it is a little irresponsable of the Rabbi to make it sound like it is a wide-spread problem now (unless I am misguided in my analysis of anti-semitism in the Church)
 
quixotic said:
In “We Jews and Jesus” Rabbi Samuel Sandmel makes this statement. “Cannot Christians come to some clarity on one issue: If the death of Jesus was the universal benefit they
hold it to be, then why attach blame, whether on the Jews or on the Romans, for causing the benefit? If, as the Gospels, especially John, suppose that Jesus knew and predicted long in advance that the particular events would happen, and the events were neither a surprise nor a defeat, then were not the events merely working out some antecedently arrived at divine shcedule? If it was part of a divine schedule, then why
blame mere men for acting out the preordained human role?”

i dont ever remember us blaming the Jews or anyone else when to the death and passion of our Lord. am I missing out on something???

help…
thanks

ps i posted this on another page, but i think it is more appropriate to do it here…
Click to expand...
Jesus himself prayed for them when he was at the cross. Remember Jesus said “Father, forgive them since they know not what they do”. Mathew quoted the Jews’ word that it was they themselves claimed the blame (Mat 27:25). Since the gospel of Mathew was written around the 80’s AD (Dr Thiede even convince that it was earlier), and no refutals from the reader of the gospel as they were the people who may experienced the day of the crucifixtion themselves, we can conclude that Mathew did not make things up when he wrote Mat 27:25. It was the Jews themselves claim the blame.
 
I think there is always a radical side to any race or gender even or politiacal party a left and a right.

I try not to judge anyone stereotyped on a particular action of a seperate group. But it is hard when they are so much in the media about it.
D.
 
I was there when they crucified my Lord
I held the scabbard when the soldier drew his sword.
I threw the dice when they pierced his side
But I’ve seen love conquer the great divide.

🙂
 
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