Jews and the Church

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**839 **“Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways.” The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People, “the first to hear the Word of God.” The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God’s revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews “belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ”, “for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable.”

840 And when one considers the future, God’s People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.

–from the Catholic Catechism
 
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cestusdei:
What does the Catholic Church teach about Jews?
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What does this have to do with the news?

Anyways, your profile lists you as a Catholic Priest, why don’t you tell us?
 
Since some on this board constantly start threads about Jews I thought it would be nice for everyone to say what they think the Church teaches. I know what the Church teaches. What I want to know is if others know.
 
I’m pretty sure you are just asking to find out what other people think the church teaches rather than to find for yourself.

But anyway, I’ll answer the literal question. The best place to start is Nostra Aetate - the Vatican II declaration on the relation of the church to non-christian religions.
  1. As the sacred synod searches into the mystery of the Church, it remembers the bond that spiritually ties the people of the New Covenant to Abraham’s stock.
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Thus the Church of Christ acknowledges that, according to God’s saving design, the beginnings of her faith and her election are found already among the Patriarchs, Moses and the prophets. She professes that all who believe in Christ-Abraham’s sons according to faith (6)-are included in the same Patriarch’s call, and likewise that the salvation of the Church is mysteriously foreshadowed by the chosen people’s exodus from the land of bondage. The Church, therefore, cannot forget that she received the revelation of the Old Testament through the people with whom God in His inexpressible mercy concluded the Ancient Covenant. Nor can she forget that she draws sustenance from the root of that well-cultivated olive tree onto which have been grafted the wild shoots, the Gentiles.(7) Indeed, the Church believes that by His cross Christ, Our Peace, reconciled Jews and Gentiles. making both one in Himself.(8)
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The Church keeps ever in mind the words of the Apostle about his kinsmen: “theirs is the sonship and the glory and the covenants and the law and the worship and the promises; theirs are the fathers and from them is the Christ according to the flesh” (Rom. 9:4-5), the Son of the Virgin Mary. She also recalls that the Apostles, the Church’s main-stay and pillars, as well as most of the early disciples who proclaimed Christ’s Gospel to the world, sprang from the Jewish people.
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As Holy Scripture testifies, Jerusalem did not recognize the time of her visitation,(9) nor did the Jews in large number, accept the Gospel; indeed not a few opposed its spreading.(10) Nevertheless, God holds the Jews most dear for the sake of their Fathers; He does not repent of the gifts He makes or of the calls He issues-such is the witness of the Apostle.(11) In company with the Prophets and the same Apostle, the Church awaits that day, known to God alone, on which all peoples will address the Lord in a single voice and “serve him shoulder to shoulder” (Soph. 3:9).(12)
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Since the spiritual patrimony common to Christians and Jews is thus so great, this sacred synod wants to foster and recommend that mutual understanding and respect which is the fruit, above all, of biblical and theological studies as well as of fraternal dialogues.
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True, the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ;(13) still, what happened in His passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today. Although the Church is the new people of God, the Jews should not be presented as rejected or accursed by God, as if this followed from the Holy Scriptures. All should see to it, then, that in catechetical work or in the preaching of the word of God they do not teach anything that does not conform to the truth of the Gospel and the spirit of Christ.
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Furthermore, in her rejection of every persecution against any man, the Church, mindful of the patrimony she shares with the Jews and moved not by political reasons but by the Gospel’s spiritual love, decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism, directed against Jews at any time and by anyone.
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Besides, as the Church has always held and holds now, Christ underwent His passion and death freely, because of the sins of men and out of infinite love, in order that all may reach salvation. It is, therefore, the burden of the Church’s preaching to proclaim the cross of Christ as the sign of God’s all-embracing love and as the fountain from which every grace flows.
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cestusdei:
Since some on this board constantly start threads about Jews I thought it would be nice for everyone to say what they think the Church teaches. I know what the Church teaches. What I want to know is if others know.
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cestusdei:
Since some on this board constantly start threads about Jews I thought it would be nice for everyone to say what they think the Church teaches. I know what the Church teaches. What I want to know is if others know.
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I understand that, but it really belongs up in Non-Catholic doesn’t it?
 
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HagiaSophia:
I understand that, but it really belongs up in Non-Catholic doesn’t it?
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Hagia it may not be seen if it is in another forum;) Now to answer Cestusdei’s question They are our elder brothers in faith which we are to love and have the utmost respect for. Our Lord was Jewish.God Bless
 
I concur with all that.

I suprised my local Rabbi with my knowledge of the synagogue. It’s kind of familiar place.

I posted a thread today about the Labour party having to retract some posters for the election campaign because they were said to be anti-semetic. I also posted about the Israelis limiting the water avaliable to the Palestinians.

I want to know is Israel a country or a religion? I don’t think of the Israel/ Palestine thing as a religious conflict in the same way I don’t see the Northern Ireland conflict as religious. I don’t think our special relationship with Judaeism absolves Israel from all blame in Palestine either.
 
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FightingFat:
I want to know is Israel a country or a religion?
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It depends if you use distaste for the state of Israel for an excuse to hate Jews, doesn’t it?
 
So you are saying if you think the state of Israel is distasteful, you hate the Jews?

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FightingFat:
So you are saying if you think the state of Israel is distasteful, you hate the Jews?

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In a number of conversations I have had with people in this forum, they start by saying bad things about the State of Israel. Then after a few posts, they are talking about a worldwide Jewish conspiricy or that the US is run by Jews or some other such nonsense. It is a new anti-semitism seeping into the Left. It is really scary.
 
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FightingFat:
So you are saying if you think the state of Israel is distasteful, you hate the Jews?

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The state of Israel is, by its own definition, a secular state. Within its ruling body it has both religious and non religious representatives and acts within the boundary’s that that allows.

The problems evolve when anyone has the temerity to criticise the state of Israel. The cry of anti semetism is immedeately raised and the perpetrator branded anti Jewish. Falling back on “branding” whenever you are criticised has always struck me as a form of cowardice in that you cannot justify your actions effectively therefore you classify the criticisor. Its a bit like disagreeing with GB and therefore being labelled a left wing liberal, the two are not necessarily synonymous.

If Israel is sure about ALL the ground it stands on then it should be able to defend itself without resorting to cries of anti semetism. Equally so those that criticise Israel must do so from the point of view of the statement and not from a point of dislike or hatred of the Jews. Not all Israeli’s are Jews and not all Jews are Israeli.
 
Absolutely Norwich, that’s what I thought.
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gilliam:
In a number of conversations I have had with people in this forum, they start by saying bad things about the State of Israel. Then after a few posts, they are talking about a worldwide Jewish conspiricy or that the US is run by Jews or some other such nonsense. It is a new anti-semitism seeping into the Left. It is really scary.
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Am I guilty of that then gilliam?
 
Fighting Fat: Don’t worry too much about being viewed as anti-Semitic for disliking Israel. Those that think or say that are often either reactionary or ignorant.

I myself fall into the same category as you. In fact, I came to the Church by way of pursuing Orthodox Judaism. I was a Zionist many years ago, but grew away from that, and became a fervent anti-Zionist the closer I came to Orthodox Judaism. The State of Israel is not a Jewish state, a contridiction in terms at this time anyway, and it’s most definately not a State for Jews, being among the least safe places to be a Jew in the whole world. That’s saying nothing about the Palestinian question, which I’m also very fervent about.

I stand against Israel because I love Judaism and because I love the Jewish people, just like the majority of Orthodox Jews prior to the Shoah.
 
I have a Jewish wife, and she is better, in her personal charity, than most Christians.

We have raised our children to be proud of their Jewish heritage.

To the best of my knowledge, Rome avers that the first covenant, the “Old” or Jewish Covenant, is still a valid avenue to salvation.

Sometimes, aware of my favorable attitude and attention to Old Testamnent writings, my Jewish in-laws comment that “You are more ‘Jewish’ than your wife,” and in the face of the sex abuse lawsuits against priests ask, “Why don’t you convert to Judaism?”

My answer is this: The Old Testament writings are filled – they are jammed – with pictures of Christ. If I converted to Judaisdm, I’d have to convert back to Christianity immediately.
 
this thread is in Apologetics and is to discuss Catholic Church teaching on the Jews. Commentary on the modern state of Israel belongs in the In the News Forum, so get out, or you will have a fatwah slapped on you so fast you’ll choke on your bagel.
 
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puzzleannie:
this thread is in Apologetics and is to discuss Catholic Church teaching on the Jews. Commentary on the modern state of Israel belongs in the In the News Forum, so get out, or you will have a fatwah slapped on you so fast you’ll choke on your bagel.
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Hey Beaumont, go stand in the rain, cool off a bit. You are a wonderful poster…usually.

Father Cestusdei, I’ll say something, then I’ll ask a question of you.:yup:

Your question was: “What does the Catholic Church teach about the Jews?”
Gilliam answered with paragraph #839 and # 840, that’s good. But I would say that from Exodus thru Acts we learn about Jews.

I have wondered when the Israelites became Jews, didn’t God make conenants with the Israelites? Father that would be easy for you.:nope:

Father, why the heck did you choose CESTUSDEI as a screen name?( What language is it, it sounds almost Extraterrestrial):bounce:
 
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