Jews Catholics Conversion Covenant

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In time of war against the Jews. Thou shall not kill in Judaism applies to all human beings.
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Maybe in other Talmudic texts, but not this one!
 
jdnrite01 said:
Maybe in other Talmudic texts, but not this one!
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If your into misinterpreting talmudic texts there are umpteen anti Jewish web sites that can provide your inner urges - I’d be happy to point them out 🤷
 
chosen_people said:
Over three thousand years ago God made a covenant with the Jewish people.
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Actually, Catholics believe this also. But here is a question that has often come up in discussions with non-Christians: Why would God choose a certain group of people and leave out everyone else? I read a statement by a young Jew and he said that he was proud that he was among those that God had chosen. But is this really fair, for God to choose a certain small group and leave out the Chinese, the Vietnamese, the Hindu Indian, the Arabs, the Africans?
 
chosen_people said:
Could you please explain what you mean by “Biblical Judaism” as opposed to “Rabbinical Judaism” before I attempt to answer your question
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Do you believe in Rabbinical Judaism or Biblical(Tanakh) Judaism?

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bobzills said:
Actually, Catholics believe this also. But here is a question that has often come up in discussions with non-Christians: Why would God choose a certain group of people and leave out everyone else? I read a statement by a young Jew and he said that he was proud that he was among those that God had chosen. But is this really fair, for God to choose a certain small group and leave out the Chinese, the Vietnamese, the Hindu Indian, the Arabs, the Africans?
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The story goes that God offered the Torah to all the nations on earth and only came last to the Jews who were the only ones who accepted it. It is you that believes that the only way to God is through Catholicism and if this was the case then perhaps you would be right. However this is not the Jewish view. Furthermore, nothing actually prevents someone from accepting Judaisim if that was the problem. Lastly, Judaism after all forms the basis for both Christianity and Islam so we can be accused of keeping God all to ourselves.
 
He is depicted in Judaisim as being unable to look directly into the face of God
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My point is that it is reasonable to infer that God had a human appearance at least for the purpose of conversing with Moses. Whether Moses wouldn’t or couldn’t look directly at God is irrelevant. What about mankind being created in the image of God? (I realize that the whole “image of God” thing can be ambiguous in that it can refer to a physical, mental and/or spiritual sense.)
 
I think we’ve strayed from the main point of this thread. You apparently dislike the old Good Friday Prayer for the Jews. I pointed out that it is not polemical; rather its eschatological in that it prays that all humans will be brought under one tent upon commencement of the End Times. Your faith contains similar eschatological prayers. I don’t think either of us should be offended by the other’s theology; neither are demeaning or disparaging. Finally, both of our faiths have had leaders who spoke inappropriately of the other. (By this, I don’t concede that Pius IX actually called the Jews “dogs.” If he did, please understand that he was human, and therefore, capable of sin just like everyone else. However, I’m sure you don’t have to look to deep to find Catholic articles which, unfortunately, say wrong things.)
 
You read an article explaining why Judaism is not hostile to gentiles and then take out of context quotes from that same article to show that Jews are indeed hostile to gentiles
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I didn’t say that Judaism is hostile to the gentiles. The quoted provisions show that some Talmudic scholars were indeed hostile.
 
chosen_people said:
Ah yes and who pray tell is the “enemy” or are we just off topic?
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In the narrow sense, the Romans. In a larger sense you can include all the enemies of Israel: Egyptians, Babylonians, Assyrians, Greeks, Romans, etc. In a spiritual sense, you can include the devil and his minions.
 
chosen_people said:
…With all due respect, a God taking human form is totally contrary to the Jewish concept of God.
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And with all respect in return, may I point out that God hasn’t ever seemed too concerned about whether or not he was doing what his chosen people expected.
 
**I have a question?
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Now of course your free to believe what ever you desire. Judaism teaches that it is easier for the gentile to reach the world to come than for the Jew as the gentile has only to follow the seven Noahide commandments (see below). …
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(“Noachide Covenant
(Heb. Sheva mitzvot b’nai Noach) The covenant God made with Noah and his sons, that is, with all the people that survived the flood (Gen. 9:8-17). In rabbinic literature it is interpreted as seven commandments that God gave the whole of humanity. The most widely accepted version of the commandments includes the following: to abstain from 1) idolatry (also from polytheism = worshipping multiple gods); 2) murder; 3) sexual immorality, especially adultery and incest; 4) blasphemy; 5) robbery; 6) brutality against animals; and 7) to establish courts of justice (the only positive commandment). Non-Jews who keep these laws will, according to rabbinic teaching, have part in the world to come. These laws obviously played a role in the considerations of the council in Jerusalem (Acts 15), where the Jewish apostles decided, not to expect gentile followers of Jesus (Christians) to keep the full extent of the Torah”
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  1. idolatry (also from polytheism = worshipping multiple gods);
It is my understanding that the Jewish religion teaches that the Christian concept of God as Triune- ie: the Trinity, and the fact that as it has been mentioned we believe that Jesus is the second person of the Trinity and is in fact God incarnate, that these are to the Jewish mind idolotrous concepts.

**Here is my question? - Is this an accurate statement? **

Would it be fair to say that even though you said above that gentiles “have only to follow the seven Noahide commandments” to reach the world to come

that Catholic as well as almost all of Christianity then would be in violation of the first Noachide law"

Therefore from a Jewish perspective we cannot not reach the World to come that is unless we reject Christianity and our believe in God as Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Would this be a true statement from a Jewish viewpoint?
 
chosen_people said:
In a world of simplistic dogmatic religions the Jews had created a religion of intellect and legal reasoning and concepts of justice. In a world of almost universal illiteracy the Jews had created a religion requiring that every father and every son could read and write to learn the law, a religion for a people with the ability to grasp the nuances of thou shalt not kill with legal exemption of criminal and civil liability for the unexpected goring of your neighbour by your ox. If Yehoshua bar Yosef was God than their was no covenant and no Torah for Catholicism, seeking universality among the universally illiterate pagans, abandoned the law.
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You do not really mean to claim that the law was a creation of an intellectually superior race of men, rather than something revealed to a chosen people by God do you?

Chuck
 
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