Jews never enslaved?

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In John Chapter 8, the Jews said to Jesus that they were never enslaved to anyone. What about their ancestors’ time in Egypt and Babylon? Why did they answer Jesus that way?
 
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Presumably the “we” were the individuals there and not the whole of Israel ever.
 
The way I interperet it, it’s ironic. We say we have control over our sin, when it really controls us. We lie to ourselves, same as the Jews did in regards to their slavery.
 
Kei said:
Presumably the “we” were the individuals there and not the whole of Israel ever
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I think so too…John’s use, throughout his Gospel of “Jews” did not mean everyone of Jewish lineage. He was referring to the religious hierarchy (Pharisees and Scribes), and their followers who sought to discredit, condemn, and kill Christ.

It’s unfortunate that the misunderstanding of his reference of Jews led to centuries of persecution of Jews by Christians, including Catholics.
 
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In John Chapter 8, the Jews said to Jesus that they were never enslaved to anyone. What about their ancestors’ time in Egypt and Babylon? Why did they answer Jesus that way?
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D-R Bible, Haydock Commentary:

Ver. 35. Now the servant abideth not in the house for ever, nor has a right to live in that manner as a son and a child of the family has to live in his father’s house. A slave or servant, though he live ever so long in his master’s house, his condition is quite different from that of a son of the family: and thus Christ puts them in mind that though they be of the race of Abraham, and in that sense can pretend to be his children, yet having made themselves slaves to sin, and remaining in that sin, by which they refuse to believe in him, their Messias, they are not the spiritual children of Abraham, nor can they inherit the promises made to Abraham, till, by the grace of Christ, they believe in him, and become his adoptive children. (Witham)
 
Of course, Jesus is the Rock of scandal. Certainly, the Jews lost their temple, suffered persecution, and were in diaspora for thousands of years.
The context is important in all things.
 
Scripture did not lead to persecution; it was used ex post facto to justify continuing persecution.

Retribution, hate, and sin caused persecution.
 
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Scripture did not lead to persecution; it was used ex post facto to justify continuing persecution.

Retribution, hate, and sin caused persecution.
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Agreed…justifying scripture for the things you mention is what I meant.
 
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