Jews, the Talmud, and Jesus

[Lapell]

First, from Jesus’ time the Jewish authorities never believed Jesus to be God takingthe form of a man.
Second, it never was God’s desire that there should be sacrifices, but so many sins committed by man could not be fully repaired. Hence “an eye for an eye, atoot for a tooth, blood for blood”. It CALLED FOR fuller satisfaction. So even though God never WANTED blood sacrifices, the situation of humanity piling up the serious sins CALLED FOR them.

And even the blood sacrifices by men could not bring full satisfaction, not only in time, but also in eternity.

 

[Lapell]

Hence Jesus’ blood, the ONLY acceptable sacrifice offered to God for all those who adhere to God’s actual ways and paths. The effects of this one sacrifice, though, though it does turn many hearts to God (or BACK to God) and converts many (i. e. makes them turn away from their sinful ways FOR GOOD), will be FULLY seen when the Messiah comes back at the end of time. Some people choose to maintain their sinful ways to the end, as sad as it is, and God has to leave them that way because they FULLY adhere to their sinful ways.

 

[Lapell]

Hence Jesus’ blood, the ONLY acceptable sacrifice offered to God for all those who adhere to God’s actual ways and paths. The effects of this one sacrifice, though, though it does turn many hearts to God (or BACK to God) and converts many (i. e. makes them turn away from their sinful ways FOR GOOD), will be FULLY seen when the Messiah comes back at the end of time. Some people choose to maintain their sinful ways to the end, as sad as it is, and God has to leave them that way because they FULLY adhere to their sinful ways.

I agree that this part is hard to accept for us who wish ALL MANKIND to be totally saved. But it is NOT God’s fault, it will be those people’s

 

[Anna_Scott]

First, from Jesus’ time the Jewish authorities never believed Jesus to be God takingthe form of a man.

Second, it never was God’s desire that there should be sacrifices, but so many sins committed by man could not be fully repaired. Hence “an eye for an eye, atoot for a tooth, blood for blood”. It CALLED FOR fuller satisfaction. So even though God never WANTED blood sacrifices, the situation of humanity piling up the serious sins CALLED FOR them.

And even the blood sacrifices by men could not bring full satisfaction, not only in time, but also in eternity.

Lapell:

I appreciate your comments, but you didn’t really answer the question: If God is God, and He makes the rules, why did anyone have to die for our salvation?

How do you account for all the Scriptures, in OT and NT, that say God desires mercy, justice, to love kindness, to walk humbly with God, to do righteousness and justice, to obey God’s voice, to walk in the way God commanded, to have the knowledge of God, to love God and your neighbor—all rather than Sacrifice?

Micah 6: 8. . .what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

Proverbs 21: . .3 To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice.

Jeremiah 7: 22 For in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to your fathers or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices. 23But this command I gave them: ‘Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be my people. And walk in all the way that I command you, that it may be well with you.’

Jesus quoting Hosea 6:6:

Matthew 9: 13 Go and learn what this means, ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.’ For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners."

Hosea 6: 6 For I desire steadfast love and not sacrifice, the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.

Why did Jesus agreed that loving God and your neighbor is more important than “all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices”? Mark 12:33-34. Isn’t this a rather strange thing for Jesus to say, since he came as the ultimate sacrifice for our sins?

Why did Jesus freely forgave sins throughout His ministry, without requiring a sacrifice to complete the forgiveness? Why would God not be able to freely forgive sins without a blood atonement?

How was John able to proclaim Baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. (Luke 3:2-3; Mark 1:4-5.)?

I am a Christian, so, I am not trying to discredit Christianity.

A Jewish author raised the question. As a Christian, I would like to be able to provide an answer. So, far I have not been able to do that.

In Christ,
Anna

 

[Rachel_Malloy]

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God Bless-

Rachel