Jihad, Martyrdom and the Torments of the Grave

[Booklover]

How fear of being pounded by hammers and eaten by serpents for eternity can drive a person to jihad.

Based on a close reading of Islam’s texts, the following account represents Sunni Islam’s standard teachings of after-death experiences:
First, the soul is said to return to the corpse while it is interred. As the pallbearers carry the body to the grave, its soul follows behind crying, “Oh my, wherever are they taking me?!” — all while the gaping grave moans, “I am the house of strangeness; I am the house of loneliness; I am the house of dust; I am the house of worms.”
After being laid to rest by the gravediggers, the dead “hear” the gravediggers as they walk away — implying, as the forthcoming torments suggest, and ulema maintain, that the dead experience “physical” sensations. (Perhaps this is why Muslims are in the habit of offering audible “greetings” to the dead — who “hear” — whenever they pass their graves?)
Every soul, once entombed along with its body, is tried by two angels. The hadith states: “His [the dead’s] soul returns to his body; then two angels arrive and sit him up for questioning” — specifically, “Who is your lord, what is your religion, who is your prophet?” If he answers Allah, Islam, and Muhammad, respectively, he is granted paradise; if not, the torments begin.

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More ways in which Islam controls Muslims through fear! This is what “life in the grave” is all about I suppose! Disgusting!

Vickie

 

[Eucharisted]

Fallacy of generalization.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Islam actually has a balance of hope and fear. Fear is present, absolutely, and so is hope, to such an extent that there was one Companion who declared that if he knew everyone on earth was going to Paradise except for one person, he would fear that he would be that one person going to Hellfire. And if he knew that everyone on the earth was going to Hellfire except for one person, he still had hope in the Mercy of Allah that he would be the one person going to Paradise.

You will not find, when reading the Qur’an, mention of Hellfire without mention of Paradise. You won’t find mention of torment without mention of reward. The two go hand-in-hand.

One scholar has likened them to the wings of a bird.

And do you know what the head of the bird is? The real motivation for all a person’s deeds? The only reason a person fears and hopes in the first place?

It is love!

 

[chrisse]

Two entertaining videos on this topic are Part 1 and Part 2.

christian_prince is discussing a muslim guy who’s put a video on YouTube describing the torments of the grave. LOL, it’s funny. Just like a big kid trying to scare the little kids - but in this case the big kid believes it

As you’ll see, this description of the torments of the grave was straight from mohammed’s sick imagination - like everything else he produced.

 

[Sam_777]

Q9: Who are Munkir Nakeer?
A. When people leave the graveyard after having buried the dead, he hears the sound of their steps and then two angels who are called “Munkir” and “Nakeer” enter the grave cleaving through the earth with their big teeth. They have dreadful appearance i.e. cauldron-like burning eyes and the whole body (from the head to the toe) covered with big hairs. They ask the dead in stern rebuke to sit and harshly question him.

Q10: What questions do Munkir & Nakeer ask of the dead?
A. 1st question: “Mar-Rabbuka” (Who is your Creator)?
2nd question: “Maa Deenuka” (What is your faith)?
3rd question: Pointing towards the Holy Prophet Hadrat Muhammad Mustafa (may Allah’s choicest blessings & peace be upon him), they ask: “Maa Kunta Taqoolu Fee Haazar Rajul” (What did you use to say about him)?
(E) (A).

 

[Sister_Amy]

Do Christians believe in Hell?

 

[Jay53]

Do Christians believe in Hell?

Yes.

The first message received at Fatima was this horrifying vision of Hell

The first part is the vision of hell.

Our Lady showed us a great sea of fire which seemed to be under the earth. Plunged in this fire were demons and souls in human form, like transparent burning embers, all blackened or burnished bronze, floating about in the conflagration, now raised into the air by the flames that issued from within themselves together with great clouds of smoke, now falling back on every side like sparks in a huge fire, without weight or equilibrium, and amid shrieks and groans of pain and despair, which horrified us and made us tremble with fear. The demons could be distinguished by their terrifying and repulsive likeness to frightful and unknown animals, all black and transparent. This vision lasted but an instant. How can we ever be grateful enough to our kind heavenly Mother, who had already prepared us by promising, in the first Apparition, to take us to heaven. Otherwise, I think we would have died of fear and terror.

We then looked up at Our Lady, who said to us so kindly and so sadly:

“You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace. The war is going to end: But if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the pontificate of Pius XI. When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that he is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church and of the holy father. To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of reparation on the First Saturdays. If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the holy father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The holy father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world. In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved, etc.” catholic.com/thisrock/2000/0010fea1sb.asp

 

[Auriel]

Glad you brought that up. Many religions have horrifying descriptions of hell.

TBH I did not get what was so strange about a Muslim version of hell.

I did find all the different thoughts interesting though in the “Concept of Hell” thread.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Hell is the element of fear in the Christian religion.

Like in Islam, it isn’t the only deterrent for bad behavior. Like in Islam, Christians should be motivated primarily by love–right? Love for God, so a desire to follow God’s commands, and stay away from those things which God dislikes (i.e., sins.)

And for a person who does good, he has a promise of reward, and for the person who does bad, he has a promise of punishment.

Same thing, I think.